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Click on the time stamp to any comment, then click flag. If it breaks the rules it will be taken down. No need to publicly shame anyone (I understand the iron

by RC_ITR 4y ago

Click on the time stamp to any comment, then click flag. If it breaks the rules it will be taken down. No need to publicly shame anyone (I understand the irony, but this at least feels somewhat couched in information).

throw10920 4y ago
There's no "shaming" happening. My remarks were about the subject of the comment, not an attack on the poster (who is anonymous anyway). I already flagged the comment. The point in adding my own was to help set standards for HN, which both serves the purpose of allowing the poster to realize why their comment doesn't mean HN standards (if your comment gets flagged and dead and it's not clear why, that's not helpful for a good actor who just didn't know the rules), and to help others be aware that these kinds of comments shouldn't be allowed.
- coconut08 4y ago
  the comment seemed relevant enough to me.
  - throw10920 4y ago
    Where's the new information revealed in the comment? Where's the curious conversation? Does this comment make a logical argument? Is "It's all about kumbayah and spreading positive vibes in the "community"" novel and meaningful information?
- RC_ITR 4y ago
  Ok, maybe to be a little more direct then. You are incorrect, that comment did not violate any of HN's guidelines. Just because you disagree does not make something unthoughtful (as evidence by it not being removed post flag).
  - throw10920 4y ago
    I am entirely correct. The comment does indeed violate the guidelines, and I will point out exactly which ones: "Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation[...] Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." For instance, "For instance, "It's all about kumbayah and spreading positive vibes in the "community"" is snarky, not curious, sneering, flamebait, and a generic tangent. "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." For instance, "Part of being in crypto involves suspending disbelief, even your own." is a shallow dismissal. > Just because you disagree does not make something unthoughtful Your attempt to try to use a low-effort emotional argument to distract from the fact that the comment does, indeed, violate the guidelines is not appreciated. This is not about "disagreeing" - this is about the comment not having value and not adhering to the guidelines. It's pretty clear that statements like "Part of being in crypto involves suspending disbelief, even your own." and "It's all about kumbayah and spreading positive vibes in the "community"" aren't suitable for HN if you actually read the guidelines. > as evidence by it not being removed post flag Which is clearly not evidence - the mods likely don't look at every flagged item, and other users can always vouch for a comment that violates the guidelines but that they agree with (which is the behavior being displayed here).

by RC_ITR 4y ago

throw10920 4y ago

There's no "shaming" happening. My remarks were about the subject of the comment, not an attack on the poster (who is anonymous anyway). I already flagged the comment. The point in adding my own was to help set standards for HN, which both serves the purpose of allowing the poster to realize why their comment doesn't mean HN standards (if your comment gets flagged and dead and it's not clear why, that's not helpful for a good actor who just didn't know the rules), and to help others be aware that these kinds of comments shouldn't be allowed.

coconut08 4y ago
the comment seemed relevant enough to me.
- throw10920 4y ago
  Where's the new information revealed in the comment? Where's the curious conversation? Does this comment make a logical argument? Is "It's all about kumbayah and spreading positive vibes in the "community"" novel and meaningful information?
RC_ITR 4y ago
Ok, maybe to be a little more direct then. You are incorrect, that comment did not violate any of HN's guidelines. Just because you disagree does not make something unthoughtful (as evidence by it not being removed post flag).
- throw10920 4y ago
  I am entirely correct. The comment does indeed violate the guidelines, and I will point out exactly which ones: "Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation[...] Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." For instance, "For instance, "It's all about kumbayah and spreading positive vibes in the "community"" is snarky, not curious, sneering, flamebait, and a generic tangent. "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." For instance, "Part of being in crypto involves suspending disbelief, even your own." is a shallow dismissal. > Just because you disagree does not make something unthoughtful Your attempt to try to use a low-effort emotional argument to distract from the fact that the comment does, indeed, violate the guidelines is not appreciated. This is not about "disagreeing" - this is about the comment not having value and not adhering to the guidelines. It's pretty clear that statements like "Part of being in crypto involves suspending disbelief, even your own." and "It's all about kumbayah and spreading positive vibes in the "community"" aren't suitable for HN if you actually read the guidelines. > as evidence by it not being removed post flag Which is clearly not evidence - the mods likely don't look at every flagged item, and other users can always vouch for a comment that violates the guidelines but that they agree with (which is the behavior being displayed here).