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> What are the advantages of using angular right now? A low total cost of ownership compared to other frameworks because: - The code for every Angular project

> What are the advantages of using angular right now? A low total cost of ownership compared to other frameworks because: - The code for every Angular project is structured the same way - The code for components (and directives, services, etc.) is generally very readable - Everything is easy(ish) to test - 280k Stack Overflow questions, vs 95k for Vue and 19k for Next And ease of hiring due to 170k Angular developers in the US (per Sales Navigator), as opposed to 50k for Vue.js and 48k for Next.js And in general Angular seems much easier to learn. If you spend 20 hours watching the Udemy course then you pretty much know it, whereas I regularly see job ads looking for folks with 6+ years of React experience. Now obviously you always hear about job ads looking for folks with 10 years of experience with some technology that's been around for two years, and yet I rarely come across Angular job ads that implicitly assume it takes multiple years to learn how to use the framework correctly.

acdha 4y ago
> - 280k Stack Overflow questions, vs 95k for Vue and 19k for Next > And ease of hiring due to 170k Angular developers in the US (per Sales Navigator), as opposed to 50k for Vue.js and 48k for Next.js Listing large numbers without commentary is a bit of a red flag unless you can point to how you analyzed the raw data — e.g. does more questions mean more happy users or more problems which people can't figure out on their own? Does that developer figure exclude the people who said “I used Angular 1, hated it, and switched to React”? That last is related to the conspicuous absence of React, which has higher numbers in both categories.
bryans 4y ago
> The code for every Angular project is structured the same way - The code for components (and directives, services, etc.) is generally very readable - Everything is easy(ish) to test. [...] And in general Angular seems much easier to learn. If you spend 20 hours watching the Udemy course then you pretty much know it You just described every frontend framework. None of these are unique to Angular. Any developer with an understanding of JS can learn and use any framework in the exact same way. > 280k Stack Overflow questions, vs 95k for Vue and 19k for Next. And ease of hiring due to 170k Angular developers in the US (per Sales Navigator), as opposed to 50k for Vue.js and 48k for Next.js These are false comparisons, and you're conveniently leaving out the largest competitor. A higher SO question count isn't necessarily a positive metric, and may even imply substantial confusion about the framework. More importantly, all of the surveys[1] show that both developer and hiring interest for Angular is waning. > whereas I regularly see job ads looking for folks with 6+ years of React experience. Now obviously you always hear about job ads looking for folks with 10 years of experience with some technology that's been around for two years, and yet I rarely come across You're using a popular meme about some notoriously bizarre job listings written by HR managers (or interns) to suggest that developers have a harder time learning frameworks other than Angular. There is no correlation whatsoever between these two things. When "you always hear" and "yet rarely come across," you are experiencing the effects of confirmation bias. > Angular job ads that implicitly assume it takes multiple years to learn how to use the framework correctly. If a job lists multiple years of experience as a requirement, why would that automagically mean the employer is "implicitly assuming" multiple years of training is required to accomplish a bare minimum? In reality, it means they're looking for someone who didn't spend last weekend watching a 20 hour Udemy course to obtain a cursory understanding. They're requiring real-world experience in a similar work/project environment, and they are paying handsomely for that experience. If it were junior development jobs with these requirements, you'd maybe have an argument, but 100% of senior positions have minimum work history requirements, because that is the definition of senior. [1] https://gist.github.com/tkrotoff/b1caa4c3a185629299ec234d2314e190 https://gist.github.com/tkrotoff/b1caa4c3a185629299ec234d231...
- NoNameProvided 4y ago
  > You just described every frontend framework. None of these are unique to Angular. Any developer with an understanding of JS can learn and use any framework in the exact same way. You just summed up, why he said Angular is better in this regard. Yes any developer with experience CAN lean how to write good structured React apps. In Angular it is basically enforced.
  - bryans 4y ago
    Doesn't learning the Angular structure require learning? If that's the metric and you have to learn good structure for both frameworks, I'm not seeing the advantage. In fact, Angular's rigidity is only an advantage if the developer finds that particular structure comfortable. And the reality is that the vast majority of developers don't find Angular comfortable to work with.

acdha 4y ago

> - 280k Stack Overflow questions, vs 95k for Vue and 19k for Next > And ease of hiring due to 170k Angular developers in the US (per Sales Navigator), as opposed to 50k for Vue.js and 48k for Next.js Listing large numbers without commentary is a bit of a red flag unless you can point to how you analyzed the raw data — e.g. does more questions mean more happy users or more problems which people can't figure out on their own? Does that developer figure exclude the people who said “I used Angular 1, hated it, and switched to React”? That last is related to the conspicuous absence of React, which has higher numbers in both categories.

bryans 4y ago

> The code for every Angular project is structured the same way - The code for components (and directives, services, etc.) is generally very readable - Everything is easy(ish) to test. [...] And in general Angular seems much easier to learn. If you spend 20 hours watching the Udemy course then you pretty much know it You just described every frontend framework. None of these are unique to Angular. Any developer with an understanding of JS can learn and use any framework in the exact same way. > 280k Stack Overflow questions, vs 95k for Vue and 19k for Next. And ease of hiring due to 170k Angular developers in the US (per Sales Navigator), as opposed to 50k for Vue.js and 48k for Next.js These are false comparisons, and you're conveniently leaving out the largest competitor. A higher SO question count isn't necessarily a positive metric, and may even imply substantial confusion about the framework. More importantly, all of the surveys[1] show that both developer and hiring interest for Angular is waning. > whereas I regularly see job ads looking for folks with 6+ years of React experience. Now obviously you always hear about job ads looking for folks with 10 years of experience with some technology that's been around for two years, and yet I rarely come across You're using a popular meme about some notoriously bizarre job listings written by HR managers (or interns) to suggest that developers have a harder time learning frameworks other than Angular. There is no correlation whatsoever between these two things. When "you always hear" and "yet rarely come across," you are experiencing the effects of confirmation bias. > Angular job ads that implicitly assume it takes multiple years to learn how to use the framework correctly. If a job lists multiple years of experience as a requirement, why would that automagically mean the employer is "implicitly assuming" multiple years of training is required to accomplish a bare minimum? In reality, it means they're looking for someone who didn't spend last weekend watching a 20 hour Udemy course to obtain a cursory understanding. They're requiring real-world experience in a similar work/project environment, and they are paying handsomely for that experience. If it were junior development jobs with these requirements, you'd maybe have an argument, but 100% of senior positions have minimum work history requirements, because that is the definition of senior. [1] https://gist.github.com/tkrotoff/b1caa4c3a185629299ec234d2314e190 https://gist.github.com/tkrotoff/b1caa4c3a185629299ec234d231...

NoNameProvided 4y ago
> You just described every frontend framework. None of these are unique to Angular. Any developer with an understanding of JS can learn and use any framework in the exact same way. You just summed up, why he said Angular is better in this regard. Yes any developer with experience CAN lean how to write good structured React apps. In Angular it is basically enforced.
- bryans 4y ago
  Doesn't learning the Angular structure require learning? If that's the metric and you have to learn good structure for both frameworks, I'm not seeing the advantage. In fact, Angular's rigidity is only an advantage if the developer finds that particular structure comfortable. And the reality is that the vast majority of developers don't find Angular comfortable to work with.