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These sound like hypothetical scenarios. Do you have some real world examples?

by daenz 4y ago

wk_end 4y ago
There's a completely bland, ugly, brutalist movie theatre in the downtown of my city [1]. Probably from the 80s? There was talk about tearing it down and replacing it with a much nicer looking (IMO) modern mid-rise [2]. A local news organization posted about it, and the comments were flooded with old people who live in the suburbs moaning. One just posted a link to a YouTube video of Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi" ("they paved paradise/and put up a parking lot"), absurdly. [1] https://www.google.com/maps/@48.4255478,-123.3621296,3a,75y,105.19h,93.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMK5rJkB1dbkc-S68sCXrTQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.com/maps/@48.4255478,-123.3621296,3a,75y,... [2] https://www.cheknews.ca/officer-tower-proposed-for-capitol-6-theatres-site-moves-ahead-to-public-hearing-950856/ https://www.cheknews.ca/officer-tower-proposed-for-capitol-6...
- mattm 4y ago
  Kind of funny using Victoria as an example. Having lived in Victoria on and off for the last 20 years I can remember the "tall-building ordinance" that finally got removed to allow for the construction of taller condos in the downtown area. Up above is also someone posting the lack of progress for bike lanes in their city but Victoria has been pretty good about that with the mayor going ahead with them even despite significant outcry about them. I think Victoria could be faster at adjusting to change but when I think about the changes over the past 2 decades, there has been significant development.
- tempestn 4y ago
  Not to mention the movie theatre is right across the street from a larger, nicer movie theatre.
- tomjakubowski 4y ago
  Not that it matters but, while that theater may be ugly, it's certainly not brutalist.
bobthepanda 4y ago
The quintessential "bad faith NIMBY" proposal is probably the infamous "historic laundromat" saga in SF where a laundromat had to do three studies on shadows and was proposed for historic preservation in an effort to stop an apartment building: https://missionlocal.org/2018/06/the-strange-and-terrible-saga-of-san-franciscos-historic-laundromat-represents-the-worst-of-planning-and-development-in-this-town/ https://missionlocal.org/2018/06/the-strange-and-terrible-sa...
- astrange 4y ago
  A lot of small parks in SF are also there because declaring some land a park is a good way to stop affordable housing projects/senior housing/anything that doesn't sound as cute as a park.
jnwatson 4y ago
My college fraternity purchased a former sorority house turned retirement home, with the intent to turn it back into a fraternity house. Neighbors objected. We had to take it all the way to the state Supreme Court to use the dwelling as it was originally intended and zoned.
- symlinkk 4y ago
  Can you blame the neighbors for not wanting to live next to a frat house? That’s pretty much the embodiment of partying, booze, loud music
  - jnwatson 4y ago
    Sure but that’s not how laws or zoning are supposed to work. A retirement home is zoned the same as a fraternity. It is like suing your neighbor because you’d rather they have 2 kids instead of 3. Or suing the corner business because they opened a coffee shop instead of a donut shop. The idea that you think you have a say in your neighbors private business is the real problem.
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      As long as you tag your hypothetical neighbor's business as "private", saying that it's inappropriate to think you have a say in it is tautological. The idea that you have a say in your neighbor's business is not a problem, it's a fact. The fact that you have property at all is an agreement amongst your neighbors to respect that claim. If you want a place where your neighbors don't get a say in what you do, you should shop for another planet.
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      - actionfromafar 4y ago
        Wow, I almost never see a comment to this effect on HN. So very few people understand this, and that it also extends to all property, not just land.
seb1204 4y ago
I've heard of people moving next to schools and playground/sport field and then complaining to the council about the noise. Some take it even further to enforce restrictions on the use of the public grounds.

These sound like hypothetical scenarios. Do you have some real world examples?

by daenz 4y ago

These sound like hypothetical scenarios. Do you have some real world examples?

There's a completely bland, ugly, brutalist movie theatre in the downtown of my city [1]. Probably from the 80s? There was talk about tearing it down and replacing it with a much nicer looking (IMO) modern mid-rise [2]. A local news organization posted about it, and the comments were flooded with old people who live in the suburbs moaning. One just posted a link to a YouTube video of Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi" ("they paved paradise/and put up a parking lot"), absurdly. [1] https://www.google.com/maps/@48.4255478,-123.3621296,3a,75y,105.19h,93.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMK5rJkB1dbkc-S68sCXrTQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.com/maps/@48.4255478,-123.3621296,3a,75y,... [2] https://www.cheknews.ca/officer-tower-proposed-for-capitol-6-theatres-site-moves-ahead-to-public-hearing-950856/ https://www.cheknews.ca/officer-tower-proposed-for-capitol-6...

mattm 4y ago
Kind of funny using Victoria as an example. Having lived in Victoria on and off for the last 20 years I can remember the "tall-building ordinance" that finally got removed to allow for the construction of taller condos in the downtown area. Up above is also someone posting the lack of progress for bike lanes in their city but Victoria has been pretty good about that with the mayor going ahead with them even despite significant outcry about them. I think Victoria could be faster at adjusting to change but when I think about the changes over the past 2 decades, there has been significant development.
tempestn 4y ago
Not to mention the movie theatre is right across the street from a larger, nicer movie theatre.
tomjakubowski 4y ago
Not that it matters but, while that theater may be ugly, it's certainly not brutalist.

bobthepanda 4y ago

The quintessential "bad faith NIMBY" proposal is probably the infamous "historic laundromat" saga in SF where a laundromat had to do three studies on shadows and was proposed for historic preservation in an effort to stop an apartment building: https://missionlocal.org/2018/06/the-strange-and-terrible-saga-of-san-franciscos-historic-laundromat-represents-the-worst-of-planning-and-development-in-this-town/ https://missionlocal.org/2018/06/the-strange-and-terrible-sa...

astrange 4y ago
A lot of small parks in SF are also there because declaring some land a park is a good way to stop affordable housing projects/senior housing/anything that doesn't sound as cute as a park.

jnwatson 4y ago

My college fraternity purchased a former sorority house turned retirement home, with the intent to turn it back into a fraternity house. Neighbors objected. We had to take it all the way to the state Supreme Court to use the dwelling as it was originally intended and zoned.

symlinkk 4y ago
Can you blame the neighbors for not wanting to live next to a frat house? That’s pretty much the embodiment of partying, booze, loud music
- jnwatson 4y ago
  Sure but that’s not how laws or zoning are supposed to work. A retirement home is zoned the same as a fraternity. It is like suing your neighbor because you’d rather they have 2 kids instead of 3. Or suing the corner business because they opened a coffee shop instead of a donut shop. The idea that you think you have a say in your neighbors private business is the real problem.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    As long as you tag your hypothetical neighbor's business as "private", saying that it's inappropriate to think you have a say in it is tautological. The idea that you have a say in your neighbor's business is not a problem, it's a fact. The fact that you have property at all is an agreement amongst your neighbors to respect that claim. If you want a place where your neighbors don't get a say in what you do, you should shop for another planet.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - actionfromafar 4y ago
      Wow, I almost never see a comment to this effect on HN. So very few people understand this, and that it also extends to all property, not just land.

seb1204 4y ago

I've heard of people moving next to schools and playground/sport field and then complaining to the council about the noise. Some take it even further to enforce restrictions on the use of the public grounds.