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This is a good point to bring up, and I am in a single-party-consent state. But, if I'm being honest, I don't care. These recordings are for my own use, and be

This is a good point to bring up, and I am in a single-party-consent state. But, if I'm being honest, I don't care. These recordings are for my own use, and beyond the anonymity the internet provides. No one knows I do this. I have found having these recordings which I have automatically transcribed, to be easily searchable. To be a huge life saver when clients change system requirements mid-project, or bosses start attempting to gaslight. People just think I have an amazing memory.

voisin 4y ago
What do you use for auto transcribing?
- saenns 4y ago
  otter.ai is excellent
smoldesu 4y ago
> No one knows I do this. Apple sure does :)
nobody9999 4y ago
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- googlryas 4y ago
  What is unethical about recording a conversation strictly for personal, private use(ie, a memory aid)? Would it be better if it all that was stored was a transcript and not a voice recording?
  - gonehome 4y ago
    Surreptitiously recording someone without their consent when they're engaged in a conversation they otherwise think is private is at best anti-social, but I'd probably go further and argue it's just unethical. How do I know it'll be strictly for private use? How do I know this person has good op-sec around data? Maybe I'm saying something more candidly verbally because I trust this person that I wouldn't want to be recorded or surfaced later out of context? Especially considering how this kind of thing has been weaponized recently. If I found out a friend was doing this to me without my consent I'd be pissed and would probably stop interacting with them. That they have to hide it suggests they know it would be poorly received (I'm not sure why they'd even admit to it on this forum).
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      I discovered years ago that a friend was recording my telephone conversations with him. I never spoke to him again, on or off the phone. A big element of having a friend is trust. Trust enough that one feels free to say stupid things, one doesn't have to watch every word. It's cathartic to say things you don't really mean. No trust => not a friend.
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      - googlryas 4y ago
        In what context did they reveal the existence of their recordings to you? Was it a gotcha situation, or something like the two of you were having a hard time remembering something, and they said they would just check their logs.
    - justsomehnguy 4y ago
      > I'd probably go further and argue it's just unethical. Fucking someone up is unethical too, but it is way more common to hear how someone was deceived than how someone was upheld to their own words. /rant off
      - 4y ago
  - nobody9999 4y ago
    >What is unethical about recording a conversation strictly for personal, private use(ie, a memory aid)? Nothing, per se. I just don't want to be surreptitiously recorded. If GP were to say, "hey, I'm going to record this conversation because [my memory sucks|I want to make sure I get this right|most any reasonable purpose]," I'd likely say "sure. Go right ahead." But IMHO, recording me (or anyone else, but I'm only responsible for me) without my knowledge/consent is definitely unethical. >Would it be better if it all that was stored was a transcript and not a voice recording? No. While I do have a deep, soothing voice, it's being surreptitiously (there's that word again) recorded that's a problem for me -- whatever form that recording takes.
    - Spooky23 4y ago
      It’s weird but it’s a thing. Especially with the hybrid work environment, recordings, legal or not are everywhere now with online conferencing. If you think someone is doing this with an axe to grind, make some smalltalk/banter in video ambit how you’re visiting friends in Maryland and can’t wait to see the Orioles. You’ll probably get a reaction.
      - nobody9999 4y ago
        >...and can’t wait to see the Orioles. You’ll probably get a reaction. Edit: I'm not really sure what you mean by "get a reaction" here. What sort of reaction do you mean? I'd expect that in such a circumstance, the one doing the surreptitious recording would just wait for the other party to say whatever it is they wanted to hear/record. I'm leaving my original response below, not as a swipe at you (it never was one), but because I said it and it would be (in my mind) inappropriate to remove it. ======Original response========== Something along the lines of "Wow. The Orioles really suck this year (well, most years)!" perhaps? Or were you thinking of something else (like a mumbled, "Arrr! My dastardly plans have been foiled by MLB!")? ======End Original response==========
      - Thorrez 4y ago
        > recordings, legal or not are everywhere now with online conferencing. Don't the online conferencing tools say when they're recording?
  - macksd 4y ago
    I get the intention, but companies lose data all the time that they never had a good reason or consent to collect and store in the first place. I don't believe anyone's careful enough to erase a need for informed consent.
adastra22 4y ago
What do you use for the automatic transcription? I have been thinking about a similar setup, albeit for my family life where consent is available. > But, if I'm being honest, I don't care. These recordings are for my own use, and beyond the anonymity the internet provides. No one knows I do this. Maybe you should care. If I didn't like you, and I knew that you did this, an anonymous tip would be all that would be required to get you facing felony charges.
- nsxwolf 4y ago
  Well, someone would also have to care enough to prosecute, which isn't guaranteed. But the risk is there and everyone should be aware of it.
- OkayPhysicist 4y ago
  Nonconsentual recording of conversations seems like a pretty minor act to be a felony, but sure enough it is in 33 US states.
  - adastra22 4y ago
    Things that affect politicians, lawyers, and big donors seem to get felony charges even for the slightest infraction. Funny that.
    - cafard 4y ago
      Because nobody else would ever object to being recorded without consent?
      - adastra22 4y ago
        Felony charges are excessive though by any measure.
- jjeaff 4y ago
  How quaint that you think an anonymous tip to law enforcement about someone recording people talking to them would even get so much as an official report written up. Unless it is being done in the commission of another crime, you might as well call in anonymous jaywalking tips.
herpderperator 4y ago
How do you prove that someone is changing requirements/what was decided previously if you can't show the recording?
- macksd 4y ago
  You can send them written notes afterwards and ask for confirmation. Depending on the meeting you can also just say you want to record to make sure you get your notes right, and if they refuse you can ask them to be the one to put things in writing later for you to confirm.

voisin 4y ago

What do you use for auto transcribing?

saenns 4y ago
otter.ai is excellent

smoldesu 4y ago

> No one knows I do this. Apple sure does :)

nobody9999 4y ago

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googlryas 4y ago
What is unethical about recording a conversation strictly for personal, private use(ie, a memory aid)? Would it be better if it all that was stored was a transcript and not a voice recording?
- gonehome 4y ago
  Surreptitiously recording someone without their consent when they're engaged in a conversation they otherwise think is private is at best anti-social, but I'd probably go further and argue it's just unethical. How do I know it'll be strictly for private use? How do I know this person has good op-sec around data? Maybe I'm saying something more candidly verbally because I trust this person that I wouldn't want to be recorded or surfaced later out of context? Especially considering how this kind of thing has been weaponized recently. If I found out a friend was doing this to me without my consent I'd be pissed and would probably stop interacting with them. That they have to hide it suggests they know it would be poorly received (I'm not sure why they'd even admit to it on this forum).
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    I discovered years ago that a friend was recording my telephone conversations with him. I never spoke to him again, on or off the phone. A big element of having a friend is trust. Trust enough that one feels free to say stupid things, one doesn't have to watch every word. It's cathartic to say things you don't really mean. No trust => not a friend.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - googlryas 4y ago
      In what context did they reveal the existence of their recordings to you? Was it a gotcha situation, or something like the two of you were having a hard time remembering something, and they said they would just check their logs.
  - justsomehnguy 4y ago
    > I'd probably go further and argue it's just unethical. Fucking someone up is unethical too, but it is way more common to hear how someone was deceived than how someone was upheld to their own words. /rant off
    - 4y ago
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >What is unethical about recording a conversation strictly for personal, private use(ie, a memory aid)? Nothing, per se. I just don't want to be surreptitiously recorded. If GP were to say, "hey, I'm going to record this conversation because [my memory sucks|I want to make sure I get this right|most any reasonable purpose]," I'd likely say "sure. Go right ahead." But IMHO, recording me (or anyone else, but I'm only responsible for me) without my knowledge/consent is definitely unethical. >Would it be better if it all that was stored was a transcript and not a voice recording? No. While I do have a deep, soothing voice, it's being surreptitiously (there's that word again) recorded that's a problem for me -- whatever form that recording takes.
  - Spooky23 4y ago
    It’s weird but it’s a thing. Especially with the hybrid work environment, recordings, legal or not are everywhere now with online conferencing. If you think someone is doing this with an axe to grind, make some smalltalk/banter in video ambit how you’re visiting friends in Maryland and can’t wait to see the Orioles. You’ll probably get a reaction.
    - nobody9999 4y ago
      >...and can’t wait to see the Orioles. You’ll probably get a reaction. Edit: I'm not really sure what you mean by "get a reaction" here. What sort of reaction do you mean? I'd expect that in such a circumstance, the one doing the surreptitious recording would just wait for the other party to say whatever it is they wanted to hear/record. I'm leaving my original response below, not as a swipe at you (it never was one), but because I said it and it would be (in my mind) inappropriate to remove it. ======Original response========== Something along the lines of "Wow. The Orioles really suck this year (well, most years)!" perhaps? Or were you thinking of something else (like a mumbled, "Arrr! My dastardly plans have been foiled by MLB!")? ======End Original response==========
    - Thorrez 4y ago
      > recordings, legal or not are everywhere now with online conferencing. Don't the online conferencing tools say when they're recording?
- macksd 4y ago
  I get the intention, but companies lose data all the time that they never had a good reason or consent to collect and store in the first place. I don't believe anyone's careful enough to erase a need for informed consent.

adastra22 4y ago

What do you use for the automatic transcription? I have been thinking about a similar setup, albeit for my family life where consent is available. > But, if I'm being honest, I don't care. These recordings are for my own use, and beyond the anonymity the internet provides. No one knows I do this. Maybe you should care. If I didn't like you, and I knew that you did this, an anonymous tip would be all that would be required to get you facing felony charges.

nsxwolf 4y ago
Well, someone would also have to care enough to prosecute, which isn't guaranteed. But the risk is there and everyone should be aware of it.
OkayPhysicist 4y ago
Nonconsentual recording of conversations seems like a pretty minor act to be a felony, but sure enough it is in 33 US states.
- adastra22 4y ago
  Things that affect politicians, lawyers, and big donors seem to get felony charges even for the slightest infraction. Funny that.
  - cafard 4y ago
    Because nobody else would ever object to being recorded without consent?
    - adastra22 4y ago
      Felony charges are excessive though by any measure.
jjeaff 4y ago
How quaint that you think an anonymous tip to law enforcement about someone recording people talking to them would even get so much as an official report written up. Unless it is being done in the commission of another crime, you might as well call in anonymous jaywalking tips.

herpderperator 4y ago

How do you prove that someone is changing requirements/what was decided previously if you can't show the recording?

macksd 4y ago
You can send them written notes afterwards and ask for confirmation. Depending on the meeting you can also just say you want to record to make sure you get your notes right, and if they refuse you can ask them to be the one to put things in writing later for you to confirm.