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>I've started doing something similar to the Author of the article. Whenever I feel I'm entering a conversation I'll need later I start recording. Not sure whe
by nobody9999 4y ago
>I've started doing something similar to the Author of the article. Whenever I feel I'm entering a conversation I'll need later I start recording.
Not sure where you're located, but some places require all parties to be aware that they're being recorded and not informing (and receiving consent) other parties can be a illegal act[0] in the US.
This link[1] looks at the US and other (a not very comprehensive list) countries.
I'm emphatically not saying you shouldn't record stuff, just that there are laws and you should be aware of them.
[0] https://recordinglaw.com/united-states-recording-laws/ https://recordinglaw.com/united-states-recording-laws/
[1] https://www.telemessage.com/call-recording-laws-an-international-comparison/ https://www.telemessage.com/call-recording-laws-an-internati...
- mmh0000 4y agoThis is a good point to bring up, and I am in a single-party-consent state. But, if I'm being honest, I don't care. These recordings are for my own use, and beyond the anonymity the internet provides. No one knows I do this. I have found having these recordings which I have automatically transcribed, to be easily searchable. To be a huge life saver when clients change system requirements mid-project, or bosses start attempting to gaslight. People just think I have an amazing memory.
- voisin 4y agoWhat do you use for auto transcribing?
- saenns 4y agootter.ai is excellent
- smoldesu 4y ago> No one knows I do this. Apple sure does :)
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- googlryas 4y agoWhat is unethical about recording a conversation strictly for personal, private use(ie, a memory aid)? Would it be better if it all that was stored was a transcript and not a voice recording?
- gonehome 4y agoSurreptitiously recording someone without their consent when they're engaged in a conversation they otherwise think is private is at best anti-social, but I'd probably go further and argue it's just unethical. How do I know it'll be strictly for private use? How do I know this person has good op-sec around data? Maybe I'm saying something more candidly verbally because I trust this person that I wouldn't want to be recorded or surfaced later out of context? Especially considering how this kind of thing has been weaponized recently. If I found out a friend was doing this to me without my consent I'd be pissed and would probably stop interacting with them. That they have to hide it suggests they know it would be poorly received (I'm not sure why they'd even admit to it on this forum).
- WalterBright 4y agoI discovered years ago that a friend was recording my telephone conversations with him. I never spoke to him again, on or off the phone. A big element of having a friend is trust. Trust enough that one feels free to say stupid things, one doesn't have to watch every word. It's cathartic to say things you don't really mean. No trust => not a friend.
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- adastra22 4y agoWhat do you use for the automatic transcription? I have been thinking about a similar setup, albeit for my family life where consent is available. > But, if I'm being honest, I don't care. These recordings are for my own use, and beyond the anonymity the internet provides. No one knows I do this. Maybe you should care. If I didn't like you, and I knew that you did this, an anonymous tip would be all that would be required to get you facing felony charges.
- nsxwolf 4y agoWell, someone would also have to care enough to prosecute, which isn't guaranteed. But the risk is there and everyone should be aware of it.
- OkayPhysicist 4y agoNonconsentual recording of conversations seems like a pretty minor act to be a felony, but sure enough it is in 33 US states.
- jjeaff 4y agoHow quaint that you think an anonymous tip to law enforcement about someone recording people talking to them would even get so much as an official report written up. Unless it is being done in the commission of another crime, you might as well call in anonymous jaywalking tips.
- herpderperator 4y agoHow do you prove that someone is changing requirements/what was decided previously if you can't show the recording?
- macksd 4y agoYou can send them written notes afterwards and ask for confirmation. Depending on the meeting you can also just say you want to record to make sure you get your notes right, and if they refuse you can ask them to be the one to put things in writing later for you to confirm.
- willcipriano 4y agoThis is a common refrain on Reddit and other places, but does anyone know anyone who ever had a issue with this law? If you aren't going to offer the recordings to the public in any way I can't see how you would even be caught. I particularly like when people say you shouldn't record evidence of someone committing a crime. For someone to press charges they would have to admit that they are the person on the recording, commiting the crime.
- bombcar 4y agoIf you never use the recording except for yourself you'll never run into an issue. If you are a group that may someday be subpoena'd for something, you may want to consider the laws around it. Note that if one side says the conversation may be recorded or monitored, I believe both can now record.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoThe person committing the crime does not always have to worry about being charged with a crime. The burden of proof is pretty high, and anyone with a half a brain will not explicitly state they are committing a crime.
- willcipriano 4y agoOn Reddit I've seen cases where the person was making violent threats and someone will always reply with this canard. "Yes your honor, that's me saying 'I'm going to fing kill you', but it was recorded without my consent!" probably isn't a smart move, legally speaking.
- GuB-42 4y agoI don't know, there is something about illegally acquired evidence, and that's the kind of technicalities attorneys love to use if it can benefit their clients.
- toast0 4y agoThat's really silly when if you need two/all party consent for the evidence to be admissible; you can object that there was no consent without acknowledging who was speaking. And the evidence can be objected to without being listened to by the judge/jury. Surprise evidence is strongly discouraged, and there's a procedure to enter into evidence before it's shown or heard. On the other hand, illegally obtained evidence is not always prohibited from trial. It's most likely to be prohibited if it's a criminal trial and the evidence was illegally obtained by law enforcement or the government generally. An illegal recording by a non-governmental party, not acting on instructions by a governmental party has nuance and may be allowed.
- ar_lan 4y agoIsn't this an incredibly dangerous game Amazon is playing with Alexa devices, then? IIRC everything gets recorded.
- spullara 4y agoEverything doesn't get recorded though so, no.
- googlryas 4y agoThe things you say after "Alexa" get recorded, and that is a not-great way to imply consent, considering a number of humans are named that.
- squeaky-clean 4y agoYou can configure the wake word to be Alexa, Echo, Amazon, or Computer. Alexa is just the default.
- phyzome 4y agoWhere, AFAICT, "consent" means "you have the option to stop talking, but I'm allowed to keep recording no matter what now that I've notified you".