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> As a user the harms are invisible to you. Why would you post a document refuting your own point? I explicitly do. not. want. my web browser to have access t

> As a user the harms are invisible to you. Why would you post a document refuting your own point? I explicitly do. not. want. my web browser to have access to the bluetooth and NFC APIs. Nor the screen orientation lock and full screen APIs. I absolutely do not want website notifications. I don't know how to be more explicit. Those are things developers want. Those are not things users want. And no amount of gaslighting about invisible harms is going to convince us that what you want is what we want.

echelon 4y ago
In the world you're describing, the future of technology is owned by Apple and Google forever. They got there first, and they'll forever be the victors. They can tax it. They can starve the entire landscape of innovation capital and prevent other companies from ever growing large. They set the rules, and they have enough human and financial capital to keep the game going forever. That's not good for capitalism, the free market, entrepreneurs, or innovation. In the ten years since smartphones came about, we've seen a contraction of other forms of computing. A contraction in the number of smartphone manufacturers, too! The world is worse for it. This type of duopolistic advantage also creates a system where Apple and Google can grow close to governments and become a surveillance and control apparatus. That's scarier than anything a developer could do to slight you. The status quo is great for Apple and Google shareholders, but bad for those trying to innovate and those wanting personal freedom and privacy. Almost all of computing connects to these two companies now, and that's a fragility that benefits these two giants to the rest of our detriment. > I explicitly do. not. want. my web browser to have access to the bluetooth and NFC APIs. Nor the screen orientation lock and full screen APIs. I absolutely do not want website notifications. Easy enough to turn all of these things off. You're describing a setting.
- kryptozinc 4y ago
  > Easy enough to turn all of these things off. You're describing a setting. Can you turn off all of these in Chrome?
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    I can turn it off on Android and MacOS. I would imagine iOS has a similar setting to MacOS for letting an app use Bluetooth.
- moistly 4y ago
  > That's not good for capitalism, the free market, entrepreneurs, or innovation Google Play puts $50 billion into devs’ pockets, and Apple App Store delivers another $85 billion. Mobile gaming puts another “Overall independent app developers’ average monthly revenue is $1,500, medium-size company developers make $7,500 a month and large studios developers teams generate on average $44,000 monthly.” Seems like capitalism is hale and healthy in this duopoly. https://www.businessofapps.com/app-developers/research/ios-android-developer-salary/ https://www.businessofapps.com/app-developers/research/ios-a...
philliphaydon 4y ago
> I absolutely do not want website notifications. I don’t understand why everyone is like OMG apple is crippling iOS they don’t have push notifications on safari. God the last feature I ever want on safari is push notifications. I want less notifications. Not more.

echelon 4y ago

In the world you're describing, the future of technology is owned by Apple and Google forever. They got there first, and they'll forever be the victors. They can tax it. They can starve the entire landscape of innovation capital and prevent other companies from ever growing large. They set the rules, and they have enough human and financial capital to keep the game going forever. That's not good for capitalism, the free market, entrepreneurs, or innovation. In the ten years since smartphones came about, we've seen a contraction of other forms of computing. A contraction in the number of smartphone manufacturers, too! The world is worse for it. This type of duopolistic advantage also creates a system where Apple and Google can grow close to governments and become a surveillance and control apparatus. That's scarier than anything a developer could do to slight you. The status quo is great for Apple and Google shareholders, but bad for those trying to innovate and those wanting personal freedom and privacy. Almost all of computing connects to these two companies now, and that's a fragility that benefits these two giants to the rest of our detriment. > I explicitly do. not. want. my web browser to have access to the bluetooth and NFC APIs. Nor the screen orientation lock and full screen APIs. I absolutely do not want website notifications. Easy enough to turn all of these things off. You're describing a setting.

kryptozinc 4y ago
> Easy enough to turn all of these things off. You're describing a setting. Can you turn off all of these in Chrome?
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  I can turn it off on Android and MacOS. I would imagine iOS has a similar setting to MacOS for letting an app use Bluetooth.
moistly 4y ago
> That's not good for capitalism, the free market, entrepreneurs, or innovation Google Play puts $50 billion into devs’ pockets, and Apple App Store delivers another $85 billion. Mobile gaming puts another “Overall independent app developers’ average monthly revenue is $1,500, medium-size company developers make $7,500 a month and large studios developers teams generate on average $44,000 monthly.” Seems like capitalism is hale and healthy in this duopoly. https://www.businessofapps.com/app-developers/research/ios-android-developer-salary/ https://www.businessofapps.com/app-developers/research/ios-a...

philliphaydon 4y ago

> I absolutely do not want website notifications. I don’t understand why everyone is like OMG apple is crippling iOS they don’t have push notifications on safari. God the last feature I ever want on safari is push notifications. I want less notifications. Not more.