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I think ubuntu is taking too much, doing too much. It wants to be on the phone and the tablet, and the desktop, etc. It is also a server distribution. It is als

by kiba 15y ago

I think ubuntu is taking too much, doing too much. It wants to be on the phone and the tablet, and the desktop, etc. It is also a server distribution. It is also trying radical changes to become the mac osx of the linux world. Well, it's not even a good distro at work. We're using the last two version of ubuntu, because everytime we upgrade, it breaks. I used archlinux and I liked what it does. I expect archlinux to break and I expect archlinux to be up-to-date. Even when archlinux breaks, it's no biggie because I backed it up and it's easy to reinstall archlinux. Ubuntu? What do I expect? Stability and up-to-date programs. Major upgrade does not implies major breakage. Now, they want me to expect Mac OSX like experience? They are now even more unsuitable for work than archlinux is.

oinksoft 15y ago
People should just be using Debian if they want a stable system with good package management with a large repository. Archlinux is very good, but its repository is tiny compared to Debian and I trust Debian package maintainers more than pretty much any other distribution. I'm happy to install the few packages I need up-to-date, like Firefox, manually.
- Adaptive 15y ago
  From a stability perspective, I'd agree. I did want to note that Arch's AUR does put it closer to the Debian package count, but of course the AUR quality is less consistent. I have really come to like the AUR and consider it one of the strengths of Arch, despite the AUR's shortcomings. Doing recent work on Ubuntu I was really missing my AUR packages and the ease of contributing to the AUR.
- digikata 15y ago
  I love Debian, but I wish I could find a distro that was Debian + pragmatic hardware driver packages. That was the original value proposition that Ubuntu provided.
  - yena 15y ago
    Sounds like you should try Linux Mint Debian Edition. I've been using it since I gave up on Ubuntu 11.04
  - oinksoft 15y ago
    The thing about that is, once you've solved that problem, you don't really have to solve it again. In fact, I had hardware issues with my new laptop with Ubuntu, which seemed to be making false assumptions (it's just a new Thinkpad!), that I didn't have on Debian. And it took me very little time to set up ndiswrapper on Debian and find the wireless driver for my wifi card. However, I can see the need for better hardware detection on a more exotic portable device. On a desktop, none of this is an issue at all -- I happily ran a Zenwalk development environment for quite some time a few years ago when I was working at one startup.
clojurerocks 15y ago
I used ubuntu for 5 years or so and finally moved off of it almost 2 years ago. I was a huge linux fan until i used ubuntu. Which intially was great but soon became nothing but marketing hype with one buggy broken release after another. Which just became tiresome after a while. Especially since with each release they act as if THAT release will finally fix all the bugs theyve had and linux hs had. Only to find out it hadnt done any of that. IN my personally opinion ubuntu completely destroyed linux Because rather then there being many great distros to choose from and play with there is now really only one. In fact OpenSuse was my favorite but that became just an also ran distro that people would compare to ubuntu and but say sorry but it doesnt compare and then stick with ubuntu. Which sucks. Of course OpenSuse also had the kde problem but thats a whole other topic of discussion.
- rjbond3rd 15y ago
  > ubuntu completely destroyed linux Because rather then there being many great distros to choose from and play with there is now really only one. There are lots of excellent distros. The world does not revolve around Ubuntu.
- DanBC 15y ago
  > Because rather then there being many great distros to choose from and play with there is now really only one. I really don't understand this comment. There are very many other distributions, covering a wide range of needs. - Fedora, Mageia, Sabyon, and Mint Debian : nice desktops, easy to use - Arch, Gentoo, LFS : suitable for power users and tinkering - Slitaz, TinyCore, Puppy : minimal, configurable etc etc. None of these are based on Ubuntu.

by kiba 15y ago

oinksoft 15y ago

People should just be using Debian if they want a stable system with good package management with a large repository. Archlinux is very good, but its repository is tiny compared to Debian and I trust Debian package maintainers more than pretty much any other distribution. I'm happy to install the few packages I need up-to-date, like Firefox, manually.

Adaptive 15y ago
From a stability perspective, I'd agree. I did want to note that Arch's AUR does put it closer to the Debian package count, but of course the AUR quality is less consistent. I have really come to like the AUR and consider it one of the strengths of Arch, despite the AUR's shortcomings. Doing recent work on Ubuntu I was really missing my AUR packages and the ease of contributing to the AUR.
digikata 15y ago
I love Debian, but I wish I could find a distro that was Debian + pragmatic hardware driver packages. That was the original value proposition that Ubuntu provided.
- yena 15y ago
  Sounds like you should try Linux Mint Debian Edition. I've been using it since I gave up on Ubuntu 11.04
- oinksoft 15y ago
  The thing about that is, once you've solved that problem, you don't really have to solve it again. In fact, I had hardware issues with my new laptop with Ubuntu, which seemed to be making false assumptions (it's just a new Thinkpad!), that I didn't have on Debian. And it took me very little time to set up ndiswrapper on Debian and find the wireless driver for my wifi card. However, I can see the need for better hardware detection on a more exotic portable device. On a desktop, none of this is an issue at all -- I happily ran a Zenwalk development environment for quite some time a few years ago when I was working at one startup.

clojurerocks 15y ago

I used ubuntu for 5 years or so and finally moved off of it almost 2 years ago. I was a huge linux fan until i used ubuntu. Which intially was great but soon became nothing but marketing hype with one buggy broken release after another. Which just became tiresome after a while. Especially since with each release they act as if THAT release will finally fix all the bugs theyve had and linux hs had. Only to find out it hadnt done any of that. IN my personally opinion ubuntu completely destroyed linux Because rather then there being many great distros to choose from and play with there is now really only one. In fact OpenSuse was my favorite but that became just an also ran distro that people would compare to ubuntu and but say sorry but it doesnt compare and then stick with ubuntu. Which sucks. Of course OpenSuse also had the kde problem but thats a whole other topic of discussion.

rjbond3rd 15y ago
> ubuntu completely destroyed linux Because rather then there being many great distros to choose from and play with there is now really only one. There are lots of excellent distros. The world does not revolve around Ubuntu.
DanBC 15y ago
> Because rather then there being many great distros to choose from and play with there is now really only one. I really don't understand this comment. There are very many other distributions, covering a wide range of needs. - Fedora, Mageia, Sabyon, and Mint Debian : nice desktops, easy to use - Arch, Gentoo, LFS : suitable for power users and tinkering - Slitaz, TinyCore, Puppy : minimal, configurable etc etc. None of these are based on Ubuntu.