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So feeling bitter after you feel you've been humiliated...?

by jenny91 4y ago

hydrok9 4y ago
- jenny91 4y ago
  That's not too helpful.
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  How about you please read the article a little more closely. I'm with him on this one. A larger than healthy helping of otherwise justified bitterness is exactly what this disorder is describing. The difference between the "disorder" and "normal behavior" is basically degree of severity and duration. Those are not objectively measurable things. Sure you can create scales, draw lines, etc but it's still fundamentally subjective. The only arguably categorical difference I could see between healthy bitterness and disorderly bitterness is the little bit about "does not subside over time" that is appended on the end of the diagnostic criteria part of the article (but it's unclear if that is a requirement of diagnosis). This seems like just another one of many "it's only a disorder because you can't cope" type disorders.
  - hydrok9 4y ago
    Degree of severity and duration is the main difference between normal reaction and a disorder. Not sure how this is merely a "larger than healthy helping." The article describes a cycle of hostility, depression, hypervigilance, and self-loathing that does not go away (over months, even years) which is triggered by real or perceived trauma. This is not normal behaviour. That is your brain reacting in a disordered, destructive way to threats which are oversized or exaggerated in the brain. This is your brain not turning off it's fear response and acting like you need to DESTROY the people who have slighted you. This leads to shame and wanting to destroy or hide from yourself, and the cycle continues. The treatment seems to be therapy so that you can learn to handle your responses and tone them down. Is that so bizarre? "Coping" isn't a healthy long-term strategy. It's just survival. Disorders like PTSD are your brain trying to cope with what it thinks is an existential threat that won't go away. What the article describes is a disordered and exaggerated response to social trauma that a person can't seem to get over by themselves, and is destructive to themselves and the people around them.

So feeling bitter after you feel you've been humiliated...?

hydrok9 4y ago

jenny91 4y ago
That's not too helpful.
throwaway0a5e 4y ago
How about you please read the article a little more closely. I'm with him on this one. A larger than healthy helping of otherwise justified bitterness is exactly what this disorder is describing. The difference between the "disorder" and "normal behavior" is basically degree of severity and duration. Those are not objectively measurable things. Sure you can create scales, draw lines, etc but it's still fundamentally subjective. The only arguably categorical difference I could see between healthy bitterness and disorderly bitterness is the little bit about "does not subside over time" that is appended on the end of the diagnostic criteria part of the article (but it's unclear if that is a requirement of diagnosis). This seems like just another one of many "it's only a disorder because you can't cope" type disorders.
- hydrok9 4y ago
  Degree of severity and duration is the main difference between normal reaction and a disorder. Not sure how this is merely a "larger than healthy helping." The article describes a cycle of hostility, depression, hypervigilance, and self-loathing that does not go away (over months, even years) which is triggered by real or perceived trauma. This is not normal behaviour. That is your brain reacting in a disordered, destructive way to threats which are oversized or exaggerated in the brain. This is your brain not turning off it's fear response and acting like you need to DESTROY the people who have slighted you. This leads to shame and wanting to destroy or hide from yourself, and the cycle continues. The treatment seems to be therapy so that you can learn to handle your responses and tone them down. Is that so bizarre? "Coping" isn't a healthy long-term strategy. It's just survival. Disorders like PTSD are your brain trying to cope with what it thinks is an existential threat that won't go away. What the article describes is a disordered and exaggerated response to social trauma that a person can't seem to get over by themselves, and is destructive to themselves and the people around them.