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Did I miss something? Sounds like he got burned on a scoop. Did Google do anything bad to him? "MG: show me on this doll where Google touched you." If the a

by Yhippa 15y ago

Did I miss something? Sounds like he got burned on a scoop. Did Google do anything bad to him? "MG: show me on this doll where Google touched you." If the application is that bad at least they retracted it. I don't know how much financial loss or other damage it did to the people who downloaded it. It probably doesn't help the overall perception of Google but I view it differently. I really appreciate their test-and-learn style of product releases. Don't get me wrong; I was very upset to learn the demise of Notebook and removal of social from Reader. I like the concept of making lots of small bets and seeing what works. That can be a cheap path to innovation sometimes.

tobtoh 15y ago
> I really appreciate their test-and-learn style of product releases. I do to - but don't you feel that lately they are just releasing far too early? Take the Gmail redesign - opened up to beta, they took onboard the early feedback about too much whitespace and when the fully released the new design, we had a 'compact' option - to me, that is test and learn style done well. But take the Gmail app - released into production and it's key feature doesn't work - how was this not picked up in basic testing? Plus it's getting near universal derision as being an underwhelming app. That doesn't seem like 'test and learn' style to me - that's more like sloppy work. And Siegler lists a whole bunch of recent product launches that have fumbled not because they release new tech, but because Google made basic faults. One that affected me this week - the launch of Google+ for Google App users ... only to discover that it doesn't work with their for iOS/Android app - again, a basic fault. I want Google to keep releasing in a 'test and learn' style, but I also want them to have some attention to detail and tighten up their work practices which appear to be slipping.
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  - mikeryan 15y ago
    The bug wasn't a code defect, but a certificate signing issue, which may be masked during the certification process. More details: http://www.tipb.com/2011/11/02/notification-error-valid-apsenvironment-entitlement-string-fond-application/ http://www.tipb.com/2011/11/02/notification-error-valid-apse...
- MatthewPhillips 15y ago
  Google Wave is hardly recent though. It's easy to cherry pick bad products from a company that releases gobs of them. I could point to GameCenter. Or Ping. Or MobileMe or iBooks.
- rkudeshi 15y ago
  FWIW, I believe the 'compact' option was available even when they first announced the new design.
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tryitnow 15y ago
This is expected from MG Siegler. It's a worthwhile read (like much of what he writes). Just know the source and his biases. Funniest thing I've read in a while ==> "MG: show me on this doll where Google touched you."

by Yhippa 15y ago

tobtoh 15y ago

> I really appreciate their test-and-learn style of product releases. I do to - but don't you feel that lately they are just releasing far too early? Take the Gmail redesign - opened up to beta, they took onboard the early feedback about too much whitespace and when the fully released the new design, we had a 'compact' option - to me, that is test and learn style done well. But take the Gmail app - released into production and it's key feature doesn't work - how was this not picked up in basic testing? Plus it's getting near universal derision as being an underwhelming app. That doesn't seem like 'test and learn' style to me - that's more like sloppy work. And Siegler lists a whole bunch of recent product launches that have fumbled not because they release new tech, but because Google made basic faults. One that affected me this week - the launch of Google+ for Google App users ... only to discover that it doesn't work with their for iOS/Android app - again, a basic fault. I want Google to keep releasing in a 'test and learn' style, but I also want them to have some attention to detail and tighten up their work practices which appear to be slipping.

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- mikeryan 15y ago
  The bug wasn't a code defect, but a certificate signing issue, which may be masked during the certification process. More details: http://www.tipb.com/2011/11/02/notification-error-valid-apsenvironment-entitlement-string-fond-application/ http://www.tipb.com/2011/11/02/notification-error-valid-apse...
MatthewPhillips 15y ago
Google Wave is hardly recent though. It's easy to cherry pick bad products from a company that releases gobs of them. I could point to GameCenter. Or Ping. Or MobileMe or iBooks.
rkudeshi 15y ago
FWIW, I believe the 'compact' option was available even when they first announced the new design.
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tryitnow 15y ago

This is expected from MG Siegler. It's a worthwhile read (like much of what he writes). Just know the source and his biases. Funniest thing I've read in a while ==> "MG: show me on this doll where Google touched you."