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> if these people insist on not being in the office we may just outsource the job for a tenth of the comp Hah, they can go ahead and do that. In fact I encoura

> if these people insist on not being in the office we may just outsource the job for a tenth of the comp Hah, they can go ahead and do that. In fact I encourage it because it makes me more money in the end. When the software falls apart due to shoddy practices, they'll learn a very hard lesson when coming back to reality and end up paying people like me double (at best) what they would've originally paid to fix the mess. My last company was in the finance space and this is precisely what happened. They ended up pouring millions of dollars into fixing the disaster from outsourcing. If you ask around, you'll find this is a very common story.

mech422 4y ago
Having lived/worked thru the off shore craze, I've never heard a good outcome from it for a large company... I know several startups/small companies in the 0-50 range that have had awesome outcomes - but nothing larger then that...Between time zones and cultural differences, it just doesn't seem to work for large groups.
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jokethrowaway 4y ago
Why would you assume people in a remote country will write worse software than you? There is plenty of foreign talent. Sure, companies are not great at picking outsourcing firms, I think corruption and/or picking your mate's consultancy firms plays a role in that.
- smileysteve 4y ago
  The reason is the comp. You rarely get the similar results by off shoring AND cutting comp significantly. It often turns out that people who are empowered to write good software as a team are also empowered to research their market value. Or vice versa People who don't challenge if they're getting paid similarly as the previous workers also aren't asking if they're being provided with the correct technical detail or even building the "right" thing. (This can be true of hiring too little experience, hiring people and burning them out)

mech422 4y ago

Having lived/worked thru the off shore craze, I've never heard a good outcome from it for a large company... I know several startups/small companies in the 0-50 range that have had awesome outcomes - but nothing larger then that...Between time zones and cultural differences, it just doesn't seem to work for large groups.

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jokethrowaway 4y ago

Why would you assume people in a remote country will write worse software than you? There is plenty of foreign talent. Sure, companies are not great at picking outsourcing firms, I think corruption and/or picking your mate's consultancy firms plays a role in that.

smileysteve 4y ago
The reason is the comp. You rarely get the similar results by off shoring AND cutting comp significantly. It often turns out that people who are empowered to write good software as a team are also empowered to research their market value. Or vice versa People who don't challenge if they're getting paid similarly as the previous workers also aren't asking if they're being provided with the correct technical detail or even building the "right" thing. (This can be true of hiring too little experience, hiring people and burning them out)