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> by Spring and by Java EE Spring is definitely a 3rd-party library builder, and I'm unaware of promises like that from Java EE. Can you help me understand wha
by spacemanmatt 4y ago
> by Spring and by Java EE
Spring is definitely a 3rd-party library builder, and I'm unaware of promises like that from Java EE. Can you help me understand what informs your view on that? It seems like they delivered a bunch of stuff that made it easy to consume XML for all kinds of questionable as well as reasonable purposes, but it was Spring not Java trying to turn XML into a scripting language.
- lmm 4y agoMy view is based on my experience of being a developer in those days and seeing what was being hyped at JavaOne or sent out in talks from Sun. It wasn't just Spring (indeed Spring got its start as a lighter-weight alternative to JEE), there was a whole lot of marketing tying Java and XML together, and as far as I can see the heart of it was this idea that you could use XML configuration to string together reusable Java components instead of writing code.
- spacemanmatt 4y agoI can sympathize to some extent. Don't believe the hype, next time. But also don't dismiss the success.
- lmm 4y agoThe lesson I took from it is that marketing matters more than technical merit. Don't get me wrong, Java is fine, there are far worse languages out there. But at the same time very little of the USPs it was supposed to have really panned out.