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Well if you looked further than 2 feet ahead, you'd be worried about getting a secret personality and political profile assembled on you, that a subsequent admi

Well if you looked further than 2 feet ahead, you'd be worried about getting a secret personality and political profile assembled on you, that a subsequent administration (or anyone that hacks them, or does the same kind of data collection as the NSA/Google/Facebook/VISA/China [1]/..) could use to extra-legally exclude you from payment systems [2], services [3,4], government jobs [5], and.. Oh, wait, I said "further than 2 feet ahead", but this is already happening. Well it can always get worse, who knows how close towards China the US will move in the next few decades. Or maybe your political stance will continue to be so totally in-line with the establishment, that even living in a state-corporate panopticon, you will have nothing to worry about. The ideal citizen of the future. You saw the cage closing in around you, but thought "Why should I worry? I'm on good terms with the warden." [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/china-spent-years-collecting-americans-personal-information-u-s-just-n1134411 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/china-spent-years-coll... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chokepoint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chokepoint [3] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ahead-far-right-wing-rally-virginia-airbnb-cancels-accounts-n790716 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ahead-far-right-wing-ra... [4] https://www.foxnews.com/travel/airbnb-bans-white-supremacists-from-using-its-service-after-charlottesville-protest https://www.foxnews.com/travel/airbnb-bans-white-supremacist... [5] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/us/politics/military-capitol-riot-inauguration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/us/politics/military-capi...

pc86 4y ago
All your cites are for white nationalism, which is by definition antithetical to a free American society. They also seem to be conflating actions taken by the government (2, 5) and operations taken by private companies (4). I'm also not sure what you mean by "extra-legally" in this context. "Extralegal" means not regulated or sanctioned by law. AirBnB banning people from its platform is certainly regulated - for example, you can't ban based on protected classes (of which being a white nationalist is not). Governmental hiring, military admissions, etc. are all clearly very regulated environments.
- car_analogy 4y ago
  > All your cites are for white nationalism, which is by definition antithetical to a free American society What does operation Chokepoint or Chinese hacking have to do with white nationalism? And don't worry, they'll define every opinion they want to suppress as "antithetical to a free American society" - anti-immigration becomes white supremacy, anti-war becomes Muslim extremism/support of dictators, anti-factory-farming becomes eco-terrorism [1],... > conflating actions taken by the government and operations taken by private companies I'm not conflating anything. I'm listing the risks of surveillance - they are present in both the corporate and governmental spheres, not limited to only one or the other. [1] Supporters of ag-gag laws have argued that they serve to protect the agriculture industry from the negative repercussions of exposés by whistle blowers. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag

pc86 4y ago

All your cites are for white nationalism, which is by definition antithetical to a free American society. They also seem to be conflating actions taken by the government (2, 5) and operations taken by private companies (4). I'm also not sure what you mean by "extra-legally" in this context. "Extralegal" means not regulated or sanctioned by law. AirBnB banning people from its platform is certainly regulated - for example, you can't ban based on protected classes (of which being a white nationalist is not). Governmental hiring, military admissions, etc. are all clearly very regulated environments.

car_analogy 4y ago
> All your cites are for white nationalism, which is by definition antithetical to a free American society What does operation Chokepoint or Chinese hacking have to do with white nationalism? And don't worry, they'll define every opinion they want to suppress as "antithetical to a free American society" - anti-immigration becomes white supremacy, anti-war becomes Muslim extremism/support of dictators, anti-factory-farming becomes eco-terrorism [1],... > conflating actions taken by the government and operations taken by private companies I'm not conflating anything. I'm listing the risks of surveillance - they are present in both the corporate and governmental spheres, not limited to only one or the other. [1] Supporters of ag-gag laws have argued that they serve to protect the agriculture industry from the negative repercussions of exposés by whistle blowers. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag