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Utterly nonsense. How about children learning from home via a laptop? Doesn't work. Same for people who need to be trained in a new work environment. You want r

Utterly nonsense. How about children learning from home via a laptop? Doesn't work. Same for people who need to be trained in a new work environment. You want real interaction. You need to experience more than only sound and video in order to learn efficient. It's extremely wrong to think that good performers can always do these things from home. Not right.

posed 4y ago
I joined my company straight out of college and it was during covid peak, it was totally remote and guess what, last week my manager called me and told me that I've been promoted with a salary hike(within less than a year). If you've discipline and commitment you can make anything work. :)
- mgfist 4y ago
  Congrats, but do you ever wonder if it would've been faster/easier in person?
- ktzar 4y ago
  Agreed. I've line managed people who have grown immensely during covid. I think the key is understanding the new medium... A remote office where conversations are encouraged to happen in the open and not by DM, is a better environment for juniors to learn than an office where there's closed rooms and knowledge moves in a more hierarchical way.
Agamus 4y ago
I just want to note that my experience is the exact opposite of this in every regard.
- zeroonetwothree 4y ago
  Your experience as a child learning from a laptop?
  - Agamus 4y ago
    On that topic, no, I am referring to observing my own children learning from a laptop. I could not have been more skeptical of this approach at first. I was wrong - the approach has worked well so far. EDIT: I definitely should have mentioned that my children are learning from a laptop WITH very close guidance from my wife who is raising them full-time and with intense dedication!
    - mgfist 4y ago
      > EDIT: I definitely should have mentioned that my children are learning from a laptop WITH very close guidance from my wife who is raising them full-time and with intense dedication! lol Pretty big caveat
    - zeroonetwothree 4y ago
      Sounds like your children are actually learning from your wife. My experience is that unsupervised education is worthless.
    - astura 4y ago
      >my children are learning from a laptop WITH very close guidance from my wife who is raising them full-time and with intense dedication! In other words, they are not at all just learning from a laptop.
- KaiserPro 4y ago
  I suspect it depends on age and class. My 5 year old struggled and needed a whole bunch of support. my 8 year old was able to work on her own, but still didn't get anywhere near as good learning outcome as being in class. Now, the reason why my kids didn't fail utterly, was because my wife wasn't working and could, just about support their learning. Until it sapped her will to live. This is roughly analogous to junior employees. They need special attention, and providing that over remote is a challenge to scale. Not impossible, but a challenge. You also need to factor in that Junior employees are more likely to have shit accommodation.
  - bcrosby95 4y ago
    Yeah, we did remote kindergarten and it was basically a disaster. We were lucky that my wife could help, otherwise our kid would have learned nothing.
MattGaiser 4y ago
I learned largely via laptop until Grade 8 (am 25 currently). I wasn't behind when I transitioned to regular school. I suspect it works for readers, not audio consumers.
sebzim4500 4y ago
Have you considered not hiring children?
M0r13n 4y ago
Nope. Personally I could not disagree more. I studied CS pre pandemic at a regular university. The whole curriculum was designed around lectures and in-person classes. But I skipped most of them due to social anxiety and laziness. Because every class had a digital script and I could practice with old exams, I did fairly well. Even better than most of those guys that visited every lecture. I guess that part of the problem is that some students tend to think, that just visiting the lecture is enough. They forget to practice the stuff on their own. Which you do automatically if you work through the script all by yourself. After university I dropped right into my first job. Because of the pandemic it was 100% remote. Again, this worked perfectly. I could not have been any better. I even was able to take additional responsibility due to my performance "which exceeds expectations". So calling this nonsense is nonesense ;-)

posed 4y ago

I joined my company straight out of college and it was during covid peak, it was totally remote and guess what, last week my manager called me and told me that I've been promoted with a salary hike(within less than a year). If you've discipline and commitment you can make anything work. :)

mgfist 4y ago
Congrats, but do you ever wonder if it would've been faster/easier in person?
ktzar 4y ago
Agreed. I've line managed people who have grown immensely during covid. I think the key is understanding the new medium... A remote office where conversations are encouraged to happen in the open and not by DM, is a better environment for juniors to learn than an office where there's closed rooms and knowledge moves in a more hierarchical way.

Agamus 4y ago

I just want to note that my experience is the exact opposite of this in every regard.

zeroonetwothree 4y ago
Your experience as a child learning from a laptop?
- Agamus 4y ago
  On that topic, no, I am referring to observing my own children learning from a laptop. I could not have been more skeptical of this approach at first. I was wrong - the approach has worked well so far. EDIT: I definitely should have mentioned that my children are learning from a laptop WITH very close guidance from my wife who is raising them full-time and with intense dedication!
  - mgfist 4y ago
    > EDIT: I definitely should have mentioned that my children are learning from a laptop WITH very close guidance from my wife who is raising them full-time and with intense dedication! lol Pretty big caveat
  - zeroonetwothree 4y ago
    Sounds like your children are actually learning from your wife. My experience is that unsupervised education is worthless.
  - astura 4y ago
    >my children are learning from a laptop WITH very close guidance from my wife who is raising them full-time and with intense dedication! In other words, they are not at all just learning from a laptop.
KaiserPro 4y ago
I suspect it depends on age and class. My 5 year old struggled and needed a whole bunch of support. my 8 year old was able to work on her own, but still didn't get anywhere near as good learning outcome as being in class. Now, the reason why my kids didn't fail utterly, was because my wife wasn't working and could, just about support their learning. Until it sapped her will to live. This is roughly analogous to junior employees. They need special attention, and providing that over remote is a challenge to scale. Not impossible, but a challenge. You also need to factor in that Junior employees are more likely to have shit accommodation.
- bcrosby95 4y ago
  Yeah, we did remote kindergarten and it was basically a disaster. We were lucky that my wife could help, otherwise our kid would have learned nothing.

MattGaiser 4y ago

I learned largely via laptop until Grade 8 (am 25 currently). I wasn't behind when I transitioned to regular school. I suspect it works for readers, not audio consumers.

sebzim4500 4y ago

Have you considered not hiring children?

M0r13n 4y ago

Nope. Personally I could not disagree more. I studied CS pre pandemic at a regular university. The whole curriculum was designed around lectures and in-person classes. But I skipped most of them due to social anxiety and laziness. Because every class had a digital script and I could practice with old exams, I did fairly well. Even better than most of those guys that visited every lecture. I guess that part of the problem is that some students tend to think, that just visiting the lecture is enough. They forget to practice the stuff on their own. Which you do automatically if you work through the script all by yourself. After university I dropped right into my first job. Because of the pandemic it was 100% remote. Again, this worked perfectly. I could not have been any better. I even was able to take additional responsibility due to my performance "which exceeds expectations". So calling this nonsense is nonesense ;-)