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Ok, so you think it's a good idea and a worthwile application of AI to create a bot that posts inflammatory answers to a toxic community, making it even more to
by rob74 4y ago
Ok, so you think it's a good idea and a worthwile application of AI to create a bot that posts inflammatory answers to a toxic community, making it even more toxic?
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agowhat will that toxicity do to the surface web that is outside the 4chan/8chan universe?
- rob74 4y agoTo cite from the article (open letter? petition? whatever): > a community full of racist, sexist, xenophobic, and hateful speech that has been linked to white-supremacist violence such as the Buffalo shooting last month So the question is not what the toxicity does to the surface web, but what people influenced by it will do to other people.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agowhy not shut these websites down?
- sgjohnson 4y agowhy not shut down everything you don't personally approve of?
- w4ffl35 4y agofor some people that's the point of life
- bergenty 4y agoIt’s a violent community. It’s way past due.
- nyberg 4y agoJust because 4chan has a higher ratio within specific boards doesn't mean it's any worse than other places given that facebook/twitter which often reward cult-like behaviour and boosts calls to violence. The difference here is that with 4chan it's easier to see unpleasant behaviour given that the two containment boards are easily accessible and observable without much effort. Though take note that not all of the site is represented by those two boards and they are `containment boards`.
- sgjohnson 4y agoFurthermore, (I don't have any data on this, but) I'm willing to bet that Facebook's body count is much higher than 4chans, although by indirect means. How many people have commited suicide because of mental health issues directly attributable to Facebook? We don't have the data, but it's certainly a non-0 number.
- drcongo 4y agoYou don't think the toxicity of 4chan has ever leaked outside of 4chan? It's not just the web it leaks out into, it leaks out into real life and people die.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agoi know that. i know about all those "lone wolves" who have caused deaths to hundreds. my point is, why not shut these "hate factories" down in the first place? if piratebay admins can be jailed, why not these people? why are we "defending" free speech when we know its harmful?
- bdhcuidbebe 4y agoPirate bay admins are out of jail since long ago and the site is still up. Also, pirate bay never did anything harmful like 4chan, they just made some rich companies lose a little profit.
- sgjohnson 4y agobecause free speech includes potentially harmful speech and speech someone might find offensive.
- cowtools 4y agoIf you give up your freedom for safety, you will eventually have neither.
- w4ffl35 4y ago> It's not just the web it leaks out into, it leaks out into real life none of that requires AI
- drcongo 4y agoNobody said it did.
- alchemist1e9 4y agoSeems like you are putting words in OPs mouth. I didn’t see them say it was a “good idea”. There is a lot of things in life that are bad ideas but we don’t stop people from doing them. Why exactly this issue is so important or needs attention? Seems like ignoring it is probably best for everyone.
- HelloNurse 4y agoTrolling a toxic community diverts their hating effort towards false targets. It might not be science, but it is potentially useful.
- cypress66 4y agoYes
- efitz 4y agoWhat, you mean like Tay[1] posting to Twitter? [1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/microsoft-tay-racist-tweets_n_56f3e678e4b04c4c37615502 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/microsoft-tay-racist-tweets_n...
- bergenty 4y agoAnd they took it down. Let’s shut 4chan down as well then, right?
- gkbrk 4y agoTo be clear; they took down Tay (the racist bot that unethical AI researchers from Microsoft created), not Twitter. So the parallel here would be shutting down the bot itself instead of the website it is posting on. And as far as I know the bot has been taken offline for some time already.
- bergenty 4y agoThe analogy doesn’t work. The current mods of 4chan are racists that support the ideology. It’s no different than shutting down a site hosted by ISIS.
- selfhoster11 4y agoI don't see how that's different from biological AI (aka humans) doing the same on those particular websites.