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Carb is too broad of a term. Though it generally seems to mean "processed wheat with added refined sugar and oils". Yeah, processed foods aren't healthy. But f

Carb is too broad of a term. Though it generally seems to mean "processed wheat with added refined sugar and oils". Yeah, processed foods aren't healthy. But fruits and vegetables are, and they have carbs (mostly simple, i.e. sugars)

kif 4y ago
Eating fruits is actually good for preventing type 2 diabetes [1]. In my personal experience, I've found that following a keto-ish approach for my diet by decreasing processed carbs, as well as increasing fruit intake, has had a positive impact on my weight/fasting blood sugar. [1]: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/eating-whole-fruits-linked-to-lower-risk-of-type-2-diabetes/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/eating-whol...
- ncmncm 4y ago
  Just so long as you are getting whole fruit, not juice...
ncmncm 4y ago
Fruit (except grapes!) has enough fiber to delay the sugar absorption for long enough that your gut biome gets first crack at it. "Metabolic disorder", aka "fatty liver disease", "processed-food disease", is a product of stripping the fiber out of almost everything. Of course juice has had its fiber stripped out. The illnesses that are killing people are products of excess uric acid that the liver emits after processing fructose.
- bregma 4y ago
  Uric acid is a metabolite of protein. All the N's in it is the giveaway since the liver is incapable of alchemical transformation. Uric acid is a byproduct of any cell metabolizing protein. Fructose, or "fruit sugar", is the main carbohydrate in fruits and vegetables. If you are on a low-carb "keto" diet (keto is <5% carbs, most low-carb diets are no where near ketogenic) you probably get more carbs from fructose than any other source. High-fructose corn syrup added to things is associated with fatty liver but there's a very long way between guzzling gallons of soda pop and blaming a normal natural ingredient our bodies are tuned to utilize for all problems.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    The liver is not an empty vat you dump things into that products bubble out of. It is a fact that the metabolic pathway in the liver that processes fructose does emit uric acid and fat, once the glycogen store is full. The purine component of the uric acid does not, in fact, come from protein, but from the ADP consumed in the process. Our bodies are not, in fact, tuned to "utilize" fructose, unlike for glucose. Fructose is processed only in the liver, like other toxins, most particularly alcohol, which is processed identically. The resulting fat is shipped off to fat cells after the liver is saturated. The uric acid is released into the bloodstream to be collected by the kidneys. The normal pathway by which fructose is processed, when it comes with adequate fiber, is through the gut biome, as I noted. Inventing a claim of "alchemical transformation" to discount facts you are wholly ignorant of is dishonest. Maybe look things up? You could learn something.
acje 4y ago
Yes, I more accurately moved form "normal diet" including beer, processed food and fast carbs to eating much more vegetables with oil and spices rather than sauce. I don't like the "looks like meat" vegetarian stuff. But the major effects for me seems to be coupled to activity rather than eating, although cutting animal fat and alcohol has been a good help on the way. My major findings: - reduce alcohol and animal fat - start soft, walk until you are fit to run, then interval - walking is great for problem solving - running uphill and walking downhill is great if the knees hurt - interval really is much more efficient than running long distances for pretty much any meaningful measure of progress for me (weight, VO2 max). I'm not trying to win at anything specific.

kif 4y ago

Eating fruits is actually good for preventing type 2 diabetes [1]. In my personal experience, I've found that following a keto-ish approach for my diet by decreasing processed carbs, as well as increasing fruit intake, has had a positive impact on my weight/fasting blood sugar. [1]: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/eating-whole-fruits-linked-to-lower-risk-of-type-2-diabetes/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/eating-whol...

ncmncm 4y ago
Just so long as you are getting whole fruit, not juice...

ncmncm 4y ago

Fruit (except grapes!) has enough fiber to delay the sugar absorption for long enough that your gut biome gets first crack at it. "Metabolic disorder", aka "fatty liver disease", "processed-food disease", is a product of stripping the fiber out of almost everything. Of course juice has had its fiber stripped out. The illnesses that are killing people are products of excess uric acid that the liver emits after processing fructose.

bregma 4y ago
Uric acid is a metabolite of protein. All the N's in it is the giveaway since the liver is incapable of alchemical transformation. Uric acid is a byproduct of any cell metabolizing protein. Fructose, or "fruit sugar", is the main carbohydrate in fruits and vegetables. If you are on a low-carb "keto" diet (keto is <5% carbs, most low-carb diets are no where near ketogenic) you probably get more carbs from fructose than any other source. High-fructose corn syrup added to things is associated with fatty liver but there's a very long way between guzzling gallons of soda pop and blaming a normal natural ingredient our bodies are tuned to utilize for all problems.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  The liver is not an empty vat you dump things into that products bubble out of. It is a fact that the metabolic pathway in the liver that processes fructose does emit uric acid and fat, once the glycogen store is full. The purine component of the uric acid does not, in fact, come from protein, but from the ADP consumed in the process. Our bodies are not, in fact, tuned to "utilize" fructose, unlike for glucose. Fructose is processed only in the liver, like other toxins, most particularly alcohol, which is processed identically. The resulting fat is shipped off to fat cells after the liver is saturated. The uric acid is released into the bloodstream to be collected by the kidneys. The normal pathway by which fructose is processed, when it comes with adequate fiber, is through the gut biome, as I noted. Inventing a claim of "alchemical transformation" to discount facts you are wholly ignorant of is dishonest. Maybe look things up? You could learn something.

acje 4y ago

Yes, I more accurately moved form "normal diet" including beer, processed food and fast carbs to eating much more vegetables with oil and spices rather than sauce. I don't like the "looks like meat" vegetarian stuff. But the major effects for me seems to be coupled to activity rather than eating, although cutting animal fat and alcohol has been a good help on the way. My major findings: - reduce alcohol and animal fat - start soft, walk until you are fit to run, then interval - walking is great for problem solving - running uphill and walking downhill is great if the knees hurt - interval really is much more efficient than running long distances for pretty much any meaningful measure of progress for me (weight, VO2 max). I'm not trying to win at anything specific.