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> privacy is not about individuals as single human being but about society Yes indeed, an important point. Privacy makes little sense on a desert island, even

> privacy is not about individuals as single human being but about society Yes indeed, an important point. Privacy makes little sense on a desert island, even though a solitary castaway has lots of it. (I'm not even sure it makes very much sense for two people on an island) > the power of aggregated data. plus the intent, means and opportunity for a group to use that data to the disadvantage of another group or individual. > The war here is already lost No. The war is won again the moment that data supply dries up because it goes stale quickly. People changing their attitudes can and will have a massive and rapid impact on those industries. Don't be cowed and browbeaten by defeatist talk. > mandate by laws privacy because there are no issue if anyone know anything about anyone else It is equally important to attack intent, means and opportunity. For example, recent research <citation needed> has shown that targeted advertising is really ineffective puff and bluster. Breaking the spell of its mythology is a tactic favourable to privacy because it disabuses potential customers of surveillance capitalism. Technical measures like Tor, overlays and other strong anonymity deals with means, while education pro-privacy propaganda addresses opportunity. At the end of the day we're fighting a counter-intelligence war.

kkfx 4y ago
Honestly? How many always have an Android/iOS device in their pocket, they use it all day long, talking and texting with it, taking photos send to some cloud for backups etc, ... yes, the war is definitively lost, also because most choose not to really fight it. People could and should change attitude but so far those who change are a so little minority to being just irrelevant at social scale. It does not even matter that some or many aspects of surveillance capitalism fails partially or substantially, once you create the surveillance infra some parts will be surely failure but the overall architecture pay back anyway those who control it. Take a look at China... Some fight back sure, who does it matter? Let's say I do my best, at a really paranoid level, to try protecting my privacy: I can't even going in urbanized are since they are full of cams like most modern vehicles. I can't probably use a bank here since 99% of them demand a crapplication who run only on Android/iOS (of course, not in an emulator) as a third factor for auth, I might be able to circumvent their check BUT it's a continuous fight for what? The list is soooo long that at maximum you can try fighting for the army honor, not to win...
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  > Take a look at China... Let me stop you there. This is not China. So are you finished with wailing whataboutism?
  - kkfx 4y ago
    This is not China, for now, we run at a very high speed to copy them. Social score is already there, started with covid excuses, but there, the push toward e-cash, qr-codes+mobiles etc is here. I do not call whataboutism foreseeing tomorrow...
    - nonrandomstring 4y ago
      > foreseeing tomorrow Or maybe, imagining tomorrow in your worst fears. There is an important difference between prophecy, which may be right or wrong, but is generally welcome, and defeatist doomsaying or catastrophising ("the war is lost") which is not. It generally makes people dislike you because there is nothing of value to take from one who says "there's no point even trying". I once shared a lifeboat with someone who spoke this way. After only 10 minutes of hearing them say "we're never going to make it", the others and I were very close to simply throwing him over the side. :)
      - kkfx 4y ago
        There is not only a single war, but many. Personally the war I fight now, the one I imaging to be "winnable enough" is about personal data possession witch means for instance my mails on my iron under my availability instead of on someone else server, a personal domain name so I hopefully being able to transfer it from a vendor to another without changing my URLs etc. That's a thing I advertise to anyone: do your best to have local tools and data. For instance do not leave photos on mobile, sync them at least etc.
        nonrandomstring 4y ago
        > Personally the war I fight now, the one I imaging to be "winnable enough" is about personal data So you're a fighter. {{brotherly hugs}} Your comment yesterday was bugging me. Today I feel happier. Yes, things are bleak with rising technofascism, but I sincerely think it thrives on ignorance, apathy and defeatism. And those are beatable demons. > That's a thing I advertise to anyone: do your best to have local tools and data. Telling other people, helping educate and inform, spreading possibilities, these are really important things. > There is not only a single war, but many. All great victories are about insignificant people doing their bit. Don't worry about the grand strategy, it's too big to see. Rest in the knowledge that somewhere else another hacker is doing their bit, and all these little wars together add up to something positive for humanity. respects

kkfx 4y ago

Honestly? How many always have an Android/iOS device in their pocket, they use it all day long, talking and texting with it, taking photos send to some cloud for backups etc, ... yes, the war is definitively lost, also because most choose not to really fight it. People could and should change attitude but so far those who change are a so little minority to being just irrelevant at social scale. It does not even matter that some or many aspects of surveillance capitalism fails partially or substantially, once you create the surveillance infra some parts will be surely failure but the overall architecture pay back anyway those who control it. Take a look at China... Some fight back sure, who does it matter? Let's say I do my best, at a really paranoid level, to try protecting my privacy: I can't even going in urbanized are since they are full of cams like most modern vehicles. I can't probably use a bank here since 99% of them demand a crapplication who run only on Android/iOS (of course, not in an emulator) as a third factor for auth, I might be able to circumvent their check BUT it's a continuous fight for what? The list is soooo long that at maximum you can try fighting for the army honor, not to win...

nonrandomstring 4y ago
> Take a look at China... Let me stop you there. This is not China. So are you finished with wailing whataboutism?
- kkfx 4y ago
  This is not China, for now, we run at a very high speed to copy them. Social score is already there, started with covid excuses, but there, the push toward e-cash, qr-codes+mobiles etc is here. I do not call whataboutism foreseeing tomorrow...
  - nonrandomstring 4y ago
    > foreseeing tomorrow Or maybe, imagining tomorrow in your worst fears. There is an important difference between prophecy, which may be right or wrong, but is generally welcome, and defeatist doomsaying or catastrophising ("the war is lost") which is not. It generally makes people dislike you because there is nothing of value to take from one who says "there's no point even trying". I once shared a lifeboat with someone who spoke this way. After only 10 minutes of hearing them say "we're never going to make it", the others and I were very close to simply throwing him over the side. :)
    - kkfx 4y ago
      There is not only a single war, but many. Personally the war I fight now, the one I imaging to be "winnable enough" is about personal data possession witch means for instance my mails on my iron under my availability instead of on someone else server, a personal domain name so I hopefully being able to transfer it from a vendor to another without changing my URLs etc. That's a thing I advertise to anyone: do your best to have local tools and data. For instance do not leave photos on mobile, sync them at least etc.
      - nonrandomstring 4y ago
        > Personally the war I fight now, the one I imaging to be "winnable enough" is about personal data So you're a fighter. {{brotherly hugs}} Your comment yesterday was bugging me. Today I feel happier. Yes, things are bleak with rising technofascism, but I sincerely think it thrives on ignorance, apathy and defeatism. And those are beatable demons. > That's a thing I advertise to anyone: do your best to have local tools and data. Telling other people, helping educate and inform, spreading possibilities, these are really important things. > There is not only a single war, but many. All great victories are about insignificant people doing their bit. Don't worry about the grand strategy, it's too big to see. Rest in the knowledge that somewhere else another hacker is doing their bit, and all these little wars together add up to something positive for humanity. respects