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You seriously think that the EU is am oppressive regime? From previous comments I'm guessing that you're from France, and I cannot comprehend how you got that

You seriously think that the EU is am oppressive regime? From previous comments I'm guessing that you're from France, and I cannot comprehend how you got that idea. It's ministry is corrupt as hell and every so often another scandal gets reported on, without any consequences to the politicians in question, so it's not like it doesn't have significant issues... But that doesn't make it into an oppressive regime. Where exactly do you think you're getting oppressed? Maybe with the millions of stimulus french farmers get each year? Or with the suggestions for the regional governments? The sovreignity remains in the hand of each member state.

kkfx 4y ago
> You seriously think that the EU is am oppressive regime? Yes. I think so because EU economy is ruled by some private crooks, the ECB, witch is formed by member states central banks, who are equally private. They equally loan money fully knowing that's mathematically impossible to pay interests and economically a nonsense and a scam since money are not a value, a substrate of anything but a unit of measure of nearly anything. A scam that's very old and well known, you can read for USA well described here: https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=carr&book=pawns&story=american https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=car... Such private banksters are also those who steer the EU commission and all decisions basing/justifying most of them out of McKinsey made scenarios. No public consultation happen. No one vote for ALL EU policies. France is no different: last year the still actual President have got a refuse from the Parliament for covid pass a day. He phone those who vote for to be ready in the night, he send the regular message to re-vote the very same proposal a midnight for 1h30 of the night, obviously almost only those pre-alerted were been there to vote and the no became yes. In Democracy this is a clear coup but no one have arrested him and his co-conspirators. Almost no one protest PRETENDING his arrest. Long story short: actual France is a formal, not substantial Democracy, in reality a neoliberal dictatorship, the very same who rule others EU countries and USA. The sons of those liberals who have created nazifascism in the past to fight them when they grow too much, in the same way they have create ISIS to destroy their previously created dictatorships when those dictators became too independent, the very same who have created the Ukraine wars, because yes Putin act formally, after 10+ years of nazi-UK-USA ops, formally published just recently by the NYT [1], formally published by RAND [2], formally declared by the EU [3] and so on. BTW dictatorships does not hold power if they do nothing for their subject, they have to keep them obeisant in some ways, the stick does the job, but the carrot is also need. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/us/politics/commandos-russia-ukraine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/us/politics/commandos-rus... [2] https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html and https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/RB10000/RB10014/RAND_RB10014.pdf https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/R... [3] https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  I get that you're unhappy, but you still haven't given a single example of oppression. They're corrupt and love to enrich themselves on taxpayers money, yes. That doesn't make it an oppressive regime. If you call the EU ministry oppressive then the word loses its meaning, because they're a paper tiger/have no teeth. The worst they do is inhumane treatment of political refugees around Greece - which is abhorrent but doesn't fall under the definition of oppressive because these people aren't citizen/don't live here.
  - kkfx 4y ago
    Enrich themselves, as private citizens/company is not a crime nor a bad thing per se, doing so as civil servant AGAINST their country, people interest is. A criminal state against it's own citizens it's not a Democracy and the alternative to Democracy is named dictatorship... What's wrong in this consideration? I agree that the nazi-alike treatments of migrants is not per se domestic oppression, they came from other countries so formally it's not an act against domestic citizens, BUT for instance privatization of the energy sector who push price up to the starts and made a mess we can barely have an operational service now is a crime against their own citizens. Imposing sanctions, formally, against a third party with the result of damaging domestic economy, for instance keeping buying Russian oil but instead of doing so directly a X price per barrel doing the same with the India intermediation or from the USA a X+50% per barrel is a crime and the list is long. Doing their best to circumvent Constitutional protection of Democracy is a coup and so on. They are oppressive like China? Not FOR NOW, simply because for now they can't, but they dream and want so and they working toward this direction.
    - 411111111111111 4y ago
      My issue was only with the term oppressive regime to be honest, because its not and describing it as such deprives the word of it's meaning. That our societies struggle with greed to the detriment of the working class isn't controversial in my opinion ... Nor should it be blamed on the EU, as our sovreign governments, employers and at this point basically everyone is just as bad. > Enrich themselves, as private citizens/company is not a crime nor a bad thing per se I disagree there btw, it's inherently destructive to the society. But it's a societal issue, not a legislative one.

kkfx 4y ago

> You seriously think that the EU is am oppressive regime? Yes. I think so because EU economy is ruled by some private crooks, the ECB, witch is formed by member states central banks, who are equally private. They equally loan money fully knowing that's mathematically impossible to pay interests and economically a nonsense and a scam since money are not a value, a substrate of anything but a unit of measure of nearly anything. A scam that's very old and well known, you can read for USA well described here: https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=carr&book=pawns&story=american https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=car... Such private banksters are also those who steer the EU commission and all decisions basing/justifying most of them out of McKinsey made scenarios. No public consultation happen. No one vote for ALL EU policies. France is no different: last year the still actual President have got a refuse from the Parliament for covid pass a day. He phone those who vote for to be ready in the night, he send the regular message to re-vote the very same proposal a midnight for 1h30 of the night, obviously almost only those pre-alerted were been there to vote and the no became yes. In Democracy this is a clear coup but no one have arrested him and his co-conspirators. Almost no one protest PRETENDING his arrest. Long story short: actual France is a formal, not substantial Democracy, in reality a neoliberal dictatorship, the very same who rule others EU countries and USA. The sons of those liberals who have created nazifascism in the past to fight them when they grow too much, in the same way they have create ISIS to destroy their previously created dictatorships when those dictators became too independent, the very same who have created the Ukraine wars, because yes Putin act formally, after 10+ years of nazi-UK-USA ops, formally published just recently by the NYT [1], formally published by RAND [2], formally declared by the EU [3] and so on. BTW dictatorships does not hold power if they do nothing for their subject, they have to keep them obeisant in some ways, the stick does the job, but the carrot is also need. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/us/politics/commandos-russia-ukraine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/us/politics/commandos-rus... [2] https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html and https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/RB10000/RB10014/RAND_RB10014.pdf https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/R... [3] https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf

411111111111111 4y ago
I get that you're unhappy, but you still haven't given a single example of oppression. They're corrupt and love to enrich themselves on taxpayers money, yes. That doesn't make it an oppressive regime. If you call the EU ministry oppressive then the word loses its meaning, because they're a paper tiger/have no teeth. The worst they do is inhumane treatment of political refugees around Greece - which is abhorrent but doesn't fall under the definition of oppressive because these people aren't citizen/don't live here.
- kkfx 4y ago
  Enrich themselves, as private citizens/company is not a crime nor a bad thing per se, doing so as civil servant AGAINST their country, people interest is. A criminal state against it's own citizens it's not a Democracy and the alternative to Democracy is named dictatorship... What's wrong in this consideration? I agree that the nazi-alike treatments of migrants is not per se domestic oppression, they came from other countries so formally it's not an act against domestic citizens, BUT for instance privatization of the energy sector who push price up to the starts and made a mess we can barely have an operational service now is a crime against their own citizens. Imposing sanctions, formally, against a third party with the result of damaging domestic economy, for instance keeping buying Russian oil but instead of doing so directly a X price per barrel doing the same with the India intermediation or from the USA a X+50% per barrel is a crime and the list is long. Doing their best to circumvent Constitutional protection of Democracy is a coup and so on. They are oppressive like China? Not FOR NOW, simply because for now they can't, but they dream and want so and they working toward this direction.
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    My issue was only with the term oppressive regime to be honest, because its not and describing it as such deprives the word of it's meaning. That our societies struggle with greed to the detriment of the working class isn't controversial in my opinion ... Nor should it be blamed on the EU, as our sovreign governments, employers and at this point basically everyone is just as bad. > Enrich themselves, as private citizens/company is not a crime nor a bad thing per se I disagree there btw, it's inherently destructive to the society. But it's a societal issue, not a legislative one.