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MSM (men who have sex with me) mostly right now. Seems like it's just a new STD, but perhaps someone has reading/research showing it's spreading at any signific

MSM (men who have sex with me) mostly right now. Seems like it's just a new STD, but perhaps someone has reading/research showing it's spreading at any significant scale further than that. Hopefully we handle it better than we did HIV Also it's pride right now sooo... Just like Chinese New Year couldn't have picked a more opportune time.

ginja 4y ago
>men who have sex with me Please start practicing abstinence before you get everyone sick, you sexy bastard!
- feet 4y ago
  Mans out here hoggin all the booty
- dillondoyle 4y ago
  Lol but it's pride!!!!
sterlind 4y ago
monkeypox is far less dangerous than HIV, as well as acute rather than an insidiously slow burn. and we have a vaccine for it, which we've already stockpiled. also you have a hilarious typo. you must be quite the stud!
- treeman79 4y ago
  HIV was an absolute death sentence when I was growing up.
foldr 4y ago
>Seems like it's just a new STD There’s no evidence that the mode of transmission of this variant is specifically sexual. Monkeypox in general can be spread by close contact (such as e.g. holding hands, sharing bedsheets, …).
- tjs8rj 4y ago
  Not to be all conspiratorial but I noticed my gut reaction to this statement was “I wonder how much of that from WHO/CDC is stretching the truth to prevent stigma”. The CDC really did a real number on its own credibility by showing itself to willfully stray from reasonable public health strategies in order to push political agendas. I wonder how much more monkeypox will spread above what it otherwise would do to this same politics over health approach that puts “prevent stigmatization” over “save lives”
  - foldr 4y ago
    I think you are being a bit conspiratorial. Monkeypox isn't a new disease and we know that it can transmit through non-sexual means. I have seen no evidence that the variant of Monkeypox responsible for the current outbreak is any different in this respect. If you know of any evidence to the contrary then by all means link to it.
    - makomk 4y ago
      Monkeypox can transmit through non-sexual means, but it transmits poorly enough amongst humans that way that those routes of transmission cannot explain the current outbreak. I think there's other hints that this is the cause too, such as the actual sites of the infection and most of the spread so far being amongst the more sexually promiscuous parts of the gay male community... This is even kind of hinted at in the article. The symptoms people are presenting with are different from classic monkeypox outbreaks, and as far as anyone can tell the actual disease hasn't changed and this is all due to the route of transmission.
      - foldr 4y ago
        > but it transmits poorly enough amongst humans that way that those routes of transmission cannot explain the current outbreak. Previous Monkeypox outbreaks have not been linked primarily to sexual transmission. It may be that the initial cluster of the current outbreak is caused by people meeting up for sex (although really, who knows?), but given what we already know about the disease, it would be unwise to jump to the conclusion that sex itself is necessary for efficient transmission. If there's really a consensus among experts that sexual transmission (rather than just transmission via contact during sex) is playing a key role here, then by all means reference this. I've been unable to find anything of the sort. >most of the spread so far being amongst the more sexually promiscuous parts of the gay male community... Here you're moving away from informed speculation (which is already unwise at this early stage, in my opinion) and simply repeating sensationalist nonsense from less reputable sections of the news media. There is absolutely no reliable data on how 'promiscuous' the people who have been infected so far are.
jpster 4y ago
> MSM (men who have sex with men) mostly right now. “…as far as we can tell”. How do we know if we’re not testing enough and have no concept of the actual scale of the outbreak?
- cplusplusfellow 4y ago
  Is this another virus that you can contract but never know you have it?
  - prirun 4y ago
    Or like shingles, where the virus lies dormant for years and then activates if the host's immune system gets weak enough, either from age or some other cause. This would make it very hard to trace the initial exposure.
mensetmanusman 4y ago
- dillondoyle 4y ago
  Lol I don't think I'm patient zero. Trying to give benefit of doubt given the forum, but man that sounds not so great... Can't deny it's not spreading in this community. quickly. Sure we get tested far more and that contributes to the reporting for sure. But symptomatic patients very clear to know if infected and easy to diagnose. Question is how much is not obviously symptomatic.
  - foldr 4y ago
    > But symptomatic patients very clear to know if infected and easy to diagnose. The article explains that it is not in fact easy to diagnose at present. (“Eventually, after seeing more than four doctors, the man finally finds an activist who's trying to expand testing. The activist connects the man with a doctor who orders a test through a private company (that's working to produce a commercial test.) The result: He's positive. He has monkeypox.”)
  - mos_basik 4y ago
    >benefit of the doubt Ah, he was making a joke about a typo you made. Not an attack.
    - dillondoyle 4y ago
      ha! just saw that. can't edit now will live forever! And I wish....

ginja 4y ago

>men who have sex with me Please start practicing abstinence before you get everyone sick, you sexy bastard!

feet 4y ago
Mans out here hoggin all the booty
dillondoyle 4y ago
Lol but it's pride!!!!

sterlind 4y ago

monkeypox is far less dangerous than HIV, as well as acute rather than an insidiously slow burn. and we have a vaccine for it, which we've already stockpiled. also you have a hilarious typo. you must be quite the stud!

treeman79 4y ago
HIV was an absolute death sentence when I was growing up.

foldr 4y ago

>Seems like it's just a new STD There’s no evidence that the mode of transmission of this variant is specifically sexual. Monkeypox in general can be spread by close contact (such as e.g. holding hands, sharing bedsheets, …).

tjs8rj 4y ago
Not to be all conspiratorial but I noticed my gut reaction to this statement was “I wonder how much of that from WHO/CDC is stretching the truth to prevent stigma”. The CDC really did a real number on its own credibility by showing itself to willfully stray from reasonable public health strategies in order to push political agendas. I wonder how much more monkeypox will spread above what it otherwise would do to this same politics over health approach that puts “prevent stigmatization” over “save lives”
- foldr 4y ago
  I think you are being a bit conspiratorial. Monkeypox isn't a new disease and we know that it can transmit through non-sexual means. I have seen no evidence that the variant of Monkeypox responsible for the current outbreak is any different in this respect. If you know of any evidence to the contrary then by all means link to it.
  - makomk 4y ago
    Monkeypox can transmit through non-sexual means, but it transmits poorly enough amongst humans that way that those routes of transmission cannot explain the current outbreak. I think there's other hints that this is the cause too, such as the actual sites of the infection and most of the spread so far being amongst the more sexually promiscuous parts of the gay male community... This is even kind of hinted at in the article. The symptoms people are presenting with are different from classic monkeypox outbreaks, and as far as anyone can tell the actual disease hasn't changed and this is all due to the route of transmission.
    - foldr 4y ago
      > but it transmits poorly enough amongst humans that way that those routes of transmission cannot explain the current outbreak. Previous Monkeypox outbreaks have not been linked primarily to sexual transmission. It may be that the initial cluster of the current outbreak is caused by people meeting up for sex (although really, who knows?), but given what we already know about the disease, it would be unwise to jump to the conclusion that sex itself is necessary for efficient transmission. If there's really a consensus among experts that sexual transmission (rather than just transmission via contact during sex) is playing a key role here, then by all means reference this. I've been unable to find anything of the sort. >most of the spread so far being amongst the more sexually promiscuous parts of the gay male community... Here you're moving away from informed speculation (which is already unwise at this early stage, in my opinion) and simply repeating sensationalist nonsense from less reputable sections of the news media. There is absolutely no reliable data on how 'promiscuous' the people who have been infected so far are.

jpster 4y ago

> MSM (men who have sex with men) mostly right now. “…as far as we can tell”. How do we know if we’re not testing enough and have no concept of the actual scale of the outbreak?

cplusplusfellow 4y ago
Is this another virus that you can contract but never know you have it?
- prirun 4y ago
  Or like shingles, where the virus lies dormant for years and then activates if the host's immune system gets weak enough, either from age or some other cause. This would make it very hard to trace the initial exposure.

mensetmanusman 4y ago

dillondoyle 4y ago
Lol I don't think I'm patient zero. Trying to give benefit of doubt given the forum, but man that sounds not so great... Can't deny it's not spreading in this community. quickly. Sure we get tested far more and that contributes to the reporting for sure. But symptomatic patients very clear to know if infected and easy to diagnose. Question is how much is not obviously symptomatic.
- foldr 4y ago
  > But symptomatic patients very clear to know if infected and easy to diagnose. The article explains that it is not in fact easy to diagnose at present. (“Eventually, after seeing more than four doctors, the man finally finds an activist who's trying to expand testing. The activist connects the man with a doctor who orders a test through a private company (that's working to produce a commercial test.) The result: He's positive. He has monkeypox.”)
- mos_basik 4y ago
  >benefit of the doubt Ah, he was making a joke about a typo you made. Not an attack.
  - dillondoyle 4y ago
    ha! just saw that. can't edit now will live forever! And I wish....