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If you want to convince regulators, perhaps you should first try to convince serious nutritionists. Because very few of them really buy this keto narrative.

oifjsidjf 4y ago
And yet there are thousands of people who posted their successful weight loss or bloating and autoimmune issues online which were solved by keto or carnivore. The term "modern serious nutritionist" is a joke anyway: a true nutritionist is one who heals himself with a diet, and many people on keto do. Science advances one funeral at the time. Remember: ~150 years ago people were making fun of the guy and outsted him because he recommended that doctors should wash their hands before surgery! Now that is accepted and is known to be a prerequisite for a safe surgery. Modern "serious nutritionist" are those kind of people: they are too arrogant and egoistic to see that thousands of people have given successful testemonies online. Here is a list of them: (NOTE THE PAGINATION AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE: THERE ARE 86 PAGES OF TESTEMONIALS!) https://carnivore.diet/category/success-stories/ https://carnivore.diet/category/success-stories/
- gherkinnn 4y ago
  Extensive fasting is also known to heal anything. As does veganism, raw food, paleo, and eating only boiled potatoes. Interesting how any diet that contains no processed food is good for you. Even more interesting how people who follow these extreme diets make for boring company.
- tpush 4y ago
  > And yet there are thousands of people who posted their successful weight loss or bloating and autoimmune issues online which were solved by keto or carnivore. There are success anecdotes for every diet imaginable; that isn't any kind of high bar for suitability. > Modern "serious nutritionist" are those kind of people: they are too arrogant and egoistic to see that thousands of people have given successful testemonies online. Absolute nonsense. Fad diets come and go, and I hope nobody here gets their nutrition advice by shady grifters on blogs/twitter instead of the actual science.
- simias 4y ago
  I'm currently doing a keto diet (mainly to support my girlfriend who wanted to do it, and it's easier if we do it together) and I did lose about 7kg in less than three months so far. That being said I remain a bit skeptical, for instance it seems to be a lot less effective for her than for me, and I feel like my weight loss may be explained by non "low-carb" factors, mainly that I eat a lot less. I have a sweet tooth and am vegetarian so I normally eat tons of carbs (pasta, rice, bread etc...). I haven't bothered monitory my caloric intake but I'm pretty certain that it dropped significantly. Meanwhile my girlfriend tends to eat relatively "low carb" even outside of this diet, so her food intake changed a lot less. That's just an anecdote in a sea of contradictory anecdotes, but my general point is that a strict keto diet usually means huge changes in eating habits and I wonder how many of these success stories are simply people eating less/better rather than strictly the low-carb element. Obviously the reality is probably somewhere in the middle...
  - lfuller 4y ago
    In my experience that’s the primary positive point of carb-restrictive diets. In general I find it extremely hard to restrict calories under a standard North American diet due to craving carb-heavy foods and feeling a constant base level of hunger. When on keto I tend to only feel hunger around dinner time and have no issues at all with portion control throughout the rest of the day. I think the real advantage of low carb diets is regulating hunger and making it easier to properly manage carb intake - at least in my case.
- rafaelero 4y ago
  > And yet there are thousands of people who posted their successful weight loss or bloating and autoimmune issues online which were solved by keto or carnivore. I am surprised you think that means anything. For folks who are not too invested in keto religion, I will leave here the US News Best Diet's ranking, in which they ask a panel of nutrition specialists to rate each diet [0]. This is the closer you can get to what the specialist consensus is. Which haven't changed much, regardeless of fad diet's folks have been telling you. [0]https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-diets-overall https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-diets-overall
yegle 4y ago
Keto requires ~0 carbs (some references I can find claim up to 50g carbs per day), thus a very extreme kind of low-carb dietary. While keto might not be recommended by nutritionists, a low-carb diet is widely recommended to diabetes/prediabetes patients (e.g. https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/managing/eat-well/diabetes-and-carbohydrates.html https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/managing/eat-well/diabetes-and-...)
- Semaphor 4y ago
  > Keto requires ~0 carbs (some references I can find claim up to 50g carbs per day) There’s no hard number. Keto requires you to stay in ketosis (which is something you enter by carb starvation and leave by consuming too many carbs), for many people about 20g/day is a very safe limit, but it depends on mass and body chemistry. 0g would be bad because you’d eat no veggies ;)
- 2rsf 4y ago
  50g is totally doable and not too hard if my memory serves me right, but like others have mentioned it's about how your body reacts to those 50g and not the amount itself

oifjsidjf 4y ago

And yet there are thousands of people who posted their successful weight loss or bloating and autoimmune issues online which were solved by keto or carnivore. The term "modern serious nutritionist" is a joke anyway: a true nutritionist is one who heals himself with a diet, and many people on keto do. Science advances one funeral at the time. Remember: ~150 years ago people were making fun of the guy and outsted him because he recommended that doctors should wash their hands before surgery! Now that is accepted and is known to be a prerequisite for a safe surgery. Modern "serious nutritionist" are those kind of people: they are too arrogant and egoistic to see that thousands of people have given successful testemonies online. Here is a list of them: (NOTE THE PAGINATION AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE: THERE ARE 86 PAGES OF TESTEMONIALS!) https://carnivore.diet/category/success-stories/ https://carnivore.diet/category/success-stories/

gherkinnn 4y ago
Extensive fasting is also known to heal anything. As does veganism, raw food, paleo, and eating only boiled potatoes. Interesting how any diet that contains no processed food is good for you. Even more interesting how people who follow these extreme diets make for boring company.
tpush 4y ago
> And yet there are thousands of people who posted their successful weight loss or bloating and autoimmune issues online which were solved by keto or carnivore. There are success anecdotes for every diet imaginable; that isn't any kind of high bar for suitability. > Modern "serious nutritionist" are those kind of people: they are too arrogant and egoistic to see that thousands of people have given successful testemonies online. Absolute nonsense. Fad diets come and go, and I hope nobody here gets their nutrition advice by shady grifters on blogs/twitter instead of the actual science.
simias 4y ago
I'm currently doing a keto diet (mainly to support my girlfriend who wanted to do it, and it's easier if we do it together) and I did lose about 7kg in less than three months so far. That being said I remain a bit skeptical, for instance it seems to be a lot less effective for her than for me, and I feel like my weight loss may be explained by non "low-carb" factors, mainly that I eat a lot less. I have a sweet tooth and am vegetarian so I normally eat tons of carbs (pasta, rice, bread etc...). I haven't bothered monitory my caloric intake but I'm pretty certain that it dropped significantly. Meanwhile my girlfriend tends to eat relatively "low carb" even outside of this diet, so her food intake changed a lot less. That's just an anecdote in a sea of contradictory anecdotes, but my general point is that a strict keto diet usually means huge changes in eating habits and I wonder how many of these success stories are simply people eating less/better rather than strictly the low-carb element. Obviously the reality is probably somewhere in the middle...
- lfuller 4y ago
  In my experience that’s the primary positive point of carb-restrictive diets. In general I find it extremely hard to restrict calories under a standard North American diet due to craving carb-heavy foods and feeling a constant base level of hunger. When on keto I tend to only feel hunger around dinner time and have no issues at all with portion control throughout the rest of the day. I think the real advantage of low carb diets is regulating hunger and making it easier to properly manage carb intake - at least in my case.
rafaelero 4y ago
> And yet there are thousands of people who posted their successful weight loss or bloating and autoimmune issues online which were solved by keto or carnivore. I am surprised you think that means anything. For folks who are not too invested in keto religion, I will leave here the US News Best Diet's ranking, in which they ask a panel of nutrition specialists to rate each diet [0]. This is the closer you can get to what the specialist consensus is. Which haven't changed much, regardeless of fad diet's folks have been telling you. [0]https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-diets-overall https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-diets-overall

yegle 4y ago

Keto requires ~0 carbs (some references I can find claim up to 50g carbs per day), thus a very extreme kind of low-carb dietary. While keto might not be recommended by nutritionists, a low-carb diet is widely recommended to diabetes/prediabetes patients (e.g. https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/managing/eat-well/diabetes-and-carbohydrates.html https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/managing/eat-well/diabetes-and-...)

Semaphor 4y ago
> Keto requires ~0 carbs (some references I can find claim up to 50g carbs per day) There’s no hard number. Keto requires you to stay in ketosis (which is something you enter by carb starvation and leave by consuming too many carbs), for many people about 20g/day is a very safe limit, but it depends on mass and body chemistry. 0g would be bad because you’d eat no veggies ;)
2rsf 4y ago
50g is totally doable and not too hard if my memory serves me right, but like others have mentioned it's about how your body reacts to those 50g and not the amount itself