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So Russia should be able to invade anyone they want without repercussions? We obviously don't want a direct war between Russia and NATO/EU countries, so economi

So Russia should be able to invade anyone they want without repercussions? We obviously don't want a direct war between Russia and NATO/EU countries, so economic sanctions are pretty much the only tool left.

88840-8855 4y ago
Russia should be punished in the same way Europe has punished the US for its aggressive invasions. Anyway, I will protest against this if the government cannot fix it asap. My friends have voiced similar opinions. And your point is wrong. We ARE already in a direct war with Russia. And it was our decision.
- t6jvcereio 4y ago
- polotics 4y ago
  Can you explain why you think that?
- markeibes 4y ago
  According to your logic, given the atrocities committed by your country in the past, the more Germany suffers, the better.
fabianhjr 4y ago
Well if anything there are pretty much no clean hands on that regard: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/United_States_war_crimes https://www.wikiwand.com/en/United_States_war_crimes The US has set a high standard, nothing like napalming Vietnamese villages in case some guerilla fighters happen to be hiding there. (Or what about airstriking a busy highway and then releasing a "non-ideological" videogame blaming them CCCP/Russian Federation for it) Even on just the political violence side: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://www.wikiwand.com/en/United_States_involvement_in_reg...
- fabian2k 4y ago
  If past atrocities are an excuse for any current ones we will never improve things. I would also consider this a somewhat different situation than e.g. the unjustified Iraq war as this is a plain invasion for territory.
  - 88840-8855 4y ago
    We are told that we have rules in the world that nations have to follow. Breaking rules means punishment. That's the theory. People like me feel sold for fools when there are double standards. I will disagree with the Western reaction as long as countries like the US are not paying their fair share for the atrocities they have done. And you argument is not valid at all. "At least the Americans were bombing those brown people for demoncrency!!" 500.000 dead kids! Albright, the “passionate force for freedom, democracy and human rights”, thought it was all “worth it”. https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/25/lets-remember-madeleine-albright-as-who-she-really-was https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/25/lets-remember-m...
  - cudgy 4y ago
    Russia started the invasion in the past, so starting the war is off limits now, right? Are you also saying that killing people is ok only when the attacker does not want to take territory? It’s more justified when there are fewer reasons to attack?
  - selivanovp 4y ago
- pllbnk 4y ago
  Typical whataboutism. Somehow you people manage to discover the USA as a counter argument to everything bad that is going on in the world. If you want to compare apples to apples, then go ahead and tell what has Ukraine invaded so that it deserved being invaded back by Russia? Don't make up your own rules and then play by them.
  - selivanovp 4y ago
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blub 4y ago
Right, we don’t want the world to end. Do we want double-digit inflation and 4x-6x-?x heating prices though? If only the EU actually had a plan instead of throwing sanctions at the wall…

88840-8855 4y ago

Russia should be punished in the same way Europe has punished the US for its aggressive invasions. Anyway, I will protest against this if the government cannot fix it asap. My friends have voiced similar opinions. And your point is wrong. We ARE already in a direct war with Russia. And it was our decision.

t6jvcereio 4y ago
polotics 4y ago
Can you explain why you think that?
markeibes 4y ago
According to your logic, given the atrocities committed by your country in the past, the more Germany suffers, the better.

fabianhjr 4y ago

Well if anything there are pretty much no clean hands on that regard: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/United_States_war_crimes https://www.wikiwand.com/en/United_States_war_crimes The US has set a high standard, nothing like napalming Vietnamese villages in case some guerilla fighters happen to be hiding there. (Or what about airstriking a busy highway and then releasing a "non-ideological" videogame blaming them CCCP/Russian Federation for it) Even on just the political violence side: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://www.wikiwand.com/en/United_States_involvement_in_reg...

fabian2k 4y ago
If past atrocities are an excuse for any current ones we will never improve things. I would also consider this a somewhat different situation than e.g. the unjustified Iraq war as this is a plain invasion for territory.
- 88840-8855 4y ago
  We are told that we have rules in the world that nations have to follow. Breaking rules means punishment. That's the theory. People like me feel sold for fools when there are double standards. I will disagree with the Western reaction as long as countries like the US are not paying their fair share for the atrocities they have done. And you argument is not valid at all. "At least the Americans were bombing those brown people for demoncrency!!" 500.000 dead kids! Albright, the “passionate force for freedom, democracy and human rights”, thought it was all “worth it”. https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/25/lets-remember-madeleine-albright-as-who-she-really-was https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/25/lets-remember-m...
- cudgy 4y ago
  Russia started the invasion in the past, so starting the war is off limits now, right? Are you also saying that killing people is ok only when the attacker does not want to take territory? It’s more justified when there are fewer reasons to attack?
- selivanovp 4y ago
pllbnk 4y ago
Typical whataboutism. Somehow you people manage to discover the USA as a counter argument to everything bad that is going on in the world. If you want to compare apples to apples, then go ahead and tell what has Ukraine invaded so that it deserved being invaded back by Russia? Don't make up your own rules and then play by them.
- selivanovp 4y ago

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blub 4y ago

Right, we don’t want the world to end. Do we want double-digit inflation and 4x-6x-?x heating prices though? If only the EU actually had a plan instead of throwing sanctions at the wall…