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I am extremely concerned that the Monkeypox outbreak seems to be growing. I don't get why, unless we do some intervention, the growth would stop. Why is it spre

I am extremely concerned that the Monkeypox outbreak seems to be growing. I don't get why, unless we do some intervention, the growth would stop. Why is it spreading in multiple countries? Why now? COVID confirmed for me our pandemic leadership is braindead at best and actively malicious at worst. I have very little confidence they know what they're doing here or would handle Monkeypox if it turns out to be a significant problem.

uoaei 4y ago
The excuse I've heard is, the R0 is low enough that we are not at risk of pandemic per se. I'm not so sure about the likelihood of reaching epidemic status or similar.
- cameldrv 4y ago
  Daily cases are doubling every 12 days or so. Now maybe that won’t hold up in the general population, but it’s thousands of people already. I’m very disappointed to not see a anything approaching a robust response given what we’ve gone through the past two years.
bergenty 4y ago
- wronglyprepaid 4y ago
  - mensetmanusman 4y ago
    Which language do you think should be illegal in the article?
    - wronglyprepaid 4y ago
      I'm not interested in repeating it, I don't want to cause further violence against marginalized communities. Enough people have already quoted it from the article in the comments. And maybe ask yourself, why would a social construct have any impact on a disease?
      - mensetmanusman 4y ago
        Social constructs or Memes can manifest real behavior changes. Think of the TikTok teens who are twitching: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/tiktok-causing-tics-in-teen-girls/amp/ https://health.clevelandclinic.org/tiktok-causing-tics-in-te... I wouldn’t be surprised if social constructs had impacts on rates of spread in this context.
        wronglyprepaid 4y ago
        ALittleLight 4y ago
        That seems like an absurd claim. The public health institutions in the US have an abysmal track record for accuracy and also knowingly lied to the public - e.g. advising against masks at the outset because they wanted to preserve their mask supply. Saying that public health institutions should be illegal to criticize is such an extremely myopic, cowardly, and sycophantic view I previously wouldn't have thought anyone actually believed it. Finally, just for fun, there's a significant possibility the US public health institute bear responsibility for the pandemic itself - to the extent they funded gain of function research and the Wuhan Institute where COVID possibly (likely?) escaped.
        wronglyprepaid 4y ago
        > The public health institutions in the US have an abysmal track record for accuracy and also knowingly lied to the public - e.g. advising against masks at the outset because they wanted to preserve their mask supply. Their track record is flawless, they are just maligned by the right wing media. They stopped COVID-19 and saved millions of lives. > Finally, just for fun, there's a significant possibility the US public health institute bear responsibility for the pandemic itself - to the extent they funded gain of function research and the Wuhan Institute where COVID possibly (likely?) escaped. This is a racist anti-Chinese conspiracy theory and in part the reason for the anti-asian hate pandemic in the USA. They did not fund gain of function research in Wuhan, and there was no gain of function research there [1]. [1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/fauci-says-rand-paul-egregiously-incorrect-about-gain-of-function-research.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/fauci-says-rand-paul-egregio...
dillondoyle 4y ago
MSM (men who have sex with me) mostly right now. Seems like it's just a new STD, but perhaps someone has reading/research showing it's spreading at any significant scale further than that. Hopefully we handle it better than we did HIV Also it's pride right now sooo... Just like Chinese New Year couldn't have picked a more opportune time.
- ginja 4y ago
  >men who have sex with me Please start practicing abstinence before you get everyone sick, you sexy bastard!
  - feet 4y ago
    Mans out here hoggin all the booty
  - dillondoyle 4y ago
    Lol but it's pride!!!!
- sterlind 4y ago
  monkeypox is far less dangerous than HIV, as well as acute rather than an insidiously slow burn. and we have a vaccine for it, which we've already stockpiled. also you have a hilarious typo. you must be quite the stud!
  - treeman79 4y ago
    HIV was an absolute death sentence when I was growing up.
- foldr 4y ago
  >Seems like it's just a new STD There’s no evidence that the mode of transmission of this variant is specifically sexual. Monkeypox in general can be spread by close contact (such as e.g. holding hands, sharing bedsheets, …).
  - 4y ago
tidenly 4y ago
My guess is that it doesn't mutate as quickly as a corona virus - so our body can build a defense against it rather easily without high chances of re-infection, just like most other poxes. It basically is quite slow moving, and will burn through its fuel in the major population centers quickly if it does peak - unlike corona which can just keep peaking after it mutates using the same people.

uoaei 4y ago

The excuse I've heard is, the R0 is low enough that we are not at risk of pandemic per se. I'm not so sure about the likelihood of reaching epidemic status or similar.

cameldrv 4y ago
Daily cases are doubling every 12 days or so. Now maybe that won’t hold up in the general population, but it’s thousands of people already. I’m very disappointed to not see a anything approaching a robust response given what we’ve gone through the past two years.

bergenty 4y ago

wronglyprepaid 4y ago
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  Which language do you think should be illegal in the article?
  - wronglyprepaid 4y ago
    I'm not interested in repeating it, I don't want to cause further violence against marginalized communities. Enough people have already quoted it from the article in the comments. And maybe ask yourself, why would a social construct have any impact on a disease?
    - mensetmanusman 4y ago
      Social constructs or Memes can manifest real behavior changes. Think of the TikTok teens who are twitching: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/tiktok-causing-tics-in-teen-girls/amp/ https://health.clevelandclinic.org/tiktok-causing-tics-in-te... I wouldn’t be surprised if social constructs had impacts on rates of spread in this context.
      - wronglyprepaid 4y ago
        ALittleLight 4y ago
        That seems like an absurd claim. The public health institutions in the US have an abysmal track record for accuracy and also knowingly lied to the public - e.g. advising against masks at the outset because they wanted to preserve their mask supply. Saying that public health institutions should be illegal to criticize is such an extremely myopic, cowardly, and sycophantic view I previously wouldn't have thought anyone actually believed it. Finally, just for fun, there's a significant possibility the US public health institute bear responsibility for the pandemic itself - to the extent they funded gain of function research and the Wuhan Institute where COVID possibly (likely?) escaped.
        wronglyprepaid 4y ago
        > The public health institutions in the US have an abysmal track record for accuracy and also knowingly lied to the public - e.g. advising against masks at the outset because they wanted to preserve their mask supply. Their track record is flawless, they are just maligned by the right wing media. They stopped COVID-19 and saved millions of lives. > Finally, just for fun, there's a significant possibility the US public health institute bear responsibility for the pandemic itself - to the extent they funded gain of function research and the Wuhan Institute where COVID possibly (likely?) escaped. This is a racist anti-Chinese conspiracy theory and in part the reason for the anti-asian hate pandemic in the USA. They did not fund gain of function research in Wuhan, and there was no gain of function research there [1]. [1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/fauci-says-rand-paul-egregiously-incorrect-about-gain-of-function-research.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/fauci-says-rand-paul-egregio...

dillondoyle 4y ago

MSM (men who have sex with me) mostly right now. Seems like it's just a new STD, but perhaps someone has reading/research showing it's spreading at any significant scale further than that. Hopefully we handle it better than we did HIV Also it's pride right now sooo... Just like Chinese New Year couldn't have picked a more opportune time.

ginja 4y ago
>men who have sex with me Please start practicing abstinence before you get everyone sick, you sexy bastard!
- feet 4y ago
  Mans out here hoggin all the booty
- dillondoyle 4y ago
  Lol but it's pride!!!!
sterlind 4y ago
monkeypox is far less dangerous than HIV, as well as acute rather than an insidiously slow burn. and we have a vaccine for it, which we've already stockpiled. also you have a hilarious typo. you must be quite the stud!
- treeman79 4y ago
  HIV was an absolute death sentence when I was growing up.
foldr 4y ago
>Seems like it's just a new STD There’s no evidence that the mode of transmission of this variant is specifically sexual. Monkeypox in general can be spread by close contact (such as e.g. holding hands, sharing bedsheets, …).
- 4y ago

tidenly 4y ago

My guess is that it doesn't mutate as quickly as a corona virus - so our body can build a defense against it rather easily without high chances of re-infection, just like most other poxes. It basically is quite slow moving, and will burn through its fuel in the major population centers quickly if it does peak - unlike corona which can just keep peaking after it mutates using the same people.