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The part I keep trying to figure out is how did they kill the formula. Strong captain dealing with ethical and moral quandaries in space. Work it around a mili

The part I keep trying to figure out is how did they kill the formula. Strong captain dealing with ethical and moral quandaries in space. Work it around a military hierarchy and go. The latest outing had them go back in time during season 2! And spent a significant time there. Is there any star trekking to this? This is why the Orville took over for a lot of people.

krapp 4y ago
>The latest outing had them go back in time during season 2! And spent a significant time there. Is there any star trekking to this? Several of the most revered Star Trek episodes ever, "City on the Edge of Forever," "Far Beyond the Stars," "Time's Arrow" as well as the end of TNG (generally well recieved by fans) involved time travel. Moral quandaries can be compelling even outside of the ready room and bridge. I don't understand why people are so hung up on the franchise formula of "Strong captain dealing with ethical and moral quandaries in space." Those ethical and moral quandaries as presented were pathetically shallow more often than not and (thanks to the interference of people like Rick Berman) rarely challenging to any real-world establishment. Trek now is at least presenting a progressive view of a future that actually includes diversity and non heteronormative characters who aren't thinly veiled alien metaphors because God forbid our luxury space-socialist utopia offend people in the Bible belt. But I guess old school fans just want adventure and pablum that appeals to their nostalgia and never rocks the boat. They can have it, but I personally like it when Trek takes risks, even if they fail sometimes.
- halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
  The issue is Trek is traditionally fantasy utopia-esque escapism where Humanity is trying to solve, in large part, the galaxy's issues, not their own. Speaking for myself, when I watch Trek I don't want to be constantly bombarded with our current IRL problems - I want to escape. Current Trek is the complete opposite; it's constantly punching you in the mouth with today's problems. If I want to be inundated with today's problems, I'll turn the news on. It's not risky, it's lazy. All of the writing is so on-the-nose it's insulting.
  - krapp 4y ago
    Star Trek has always been primarily about humanity's problems, and deeply entrenched in the politics of the day. TOS was Cold War geopolitics in space. TNG was a morality play with science fiction tacked on. DS9 analogizes any number of conflicts from Northern Ireland to the Kosovo War to post-Nazi occupied Europe. The galaxy's issues have almost always been metaphors for real-world politics. Maybe between old Trek and new Trek, the politics were more layered in allegory and are now more overt, but it was always there.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      As an expat Russian, I had hard time watching DS9 since the invasion into Ukraine started.
dariusj18 4y ago
So far Orville S3 has been lackluster compared to previous seasons. The episodes so far have felt more like a knock off.

krapp 4y ago

>The latest outing had them go back in time during season 2! And spent a significant time there. Is there any star trekking to this? Several of the most revered Star Trek episodes ever, "City on the Edge of Forever," "Far Beyond the Stars," "Time's Arrow" as well as the end of TNG (generally well recieved by fans) involved time travel. Moral quandaries can be compelling even outside of the ready room and bridge. I don't understand why people are so hung up on the franchise formula of "Strong captain dealing with ethical and moral quandaries in space." Those ethical and moral quandaries as presented were pathetically shallow more often than not and (thanks to the interference of people like Rick Berman) rarely challenging to any real-world establishment. Trek now is at least presenting a progressive view of a future that actually includes diversity and non heteronormative characters who aren't thinly veiled alien metaphors because God forbid our luxury space-socialist utopia offend people in the Bible belt. But I guess old school fans just want adventure and pablum that appeals to their nostalgia and never rocks the boat. They can have it, but I personally like it when Trek takes risks, even if they fail sometimes.

halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
The issue is Trek is traditionally fantasy utopia-esque escapism where Humanity is trying to solve, in large part, the galaxy's issues, not their own. Speaking for myself, when I watch Trek I don't want to be constantly bombarded with our current IRL problems - I want to escape. Current Trek is the complete opposite; it's constantly punching you in the mouth with today's problems. If I want to be inundated with today's problems, I'll turn the news on. It's not risky, it's lazy. All of the writing is so on-the-nose it's insulting.
- krapp 4y ago
  Star Trek has always been primarily about humanity's problems, and deeply entrenched in the politics of the day. TOS was Cold War geopolitics in space. TNG was a morality play with science fiction tacked on. DS9 analogizes any number of conflicts from Northern Ireland to the Kosovo War to post-Nazi occupied Europe. The galaxy's issues have almost always been metaphors for real-world politics. Maybe between old Trek and new Trek, the politics were more layered in allegory and are now more overt, but it was always there.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    As an expat Russian, I had hard time watching DS9 since the invasion into Ukraine started.

dariusj18 4y ago

So far Orville S3 has been lackluster compared to previous seasons. The episodes so far have felt more like a knock off.