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Monkeypox outbreak in U.S. is bigger than the CDC reports. Testing is 'abysmal'
- ALittleLight 4y agoI am extremely concerned that the Monkeypox outbreak seems to be growing. I don't get why, unless we do some intervention, the growth would stop. Why is it spreading in multiple countries? Why now? COVID confirmed for me our pandemic leadership is braindead at best and actively malicious at worst. I have very little confidence they know what they're doing here or would handle Monkeypox if it turns out to be a significant problem.
- uoaei 4y agoThe excuse I've heard is, the R0 is low enough that we are not at risk of pandemic per se. I'm not so sure about the likelihood of reaching epidemic status or similar.
- cameldrv 4y agoDaily cases are doubling every 12 days or so. Now maybe that won’t hold up in the general population, but it’s thousands of people already. I’m very disappointed to not see a anything approaching a robust response given what we’ve gone through the past two years.
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- mensetmanusman 4y agoWhich language do you think should be illegal in the article?
- wronglyprepaid 4y agoI'm not interested in repeating it, I don't want to cause further violence against marginalized communities. Enough people have already quoted it from the article in the comments. And maybe ask yourself, why would a social construct have any impact on a disease?
- mensetmanusman 4y agoSocial constructs or Memes can manifest real behavior changes. Think of the TikTok teens who are twitching: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/tiktok-causing-tics-in-teen-girls/amp/ https://health.clevelandclinic.org/tiktok-causing-tics-in-te... I wouldn’t be surprised if social constructs had impacts on rates of spread in this context.
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- ALittleLight 4y agoThat seems like an absurd claim. The public health institutions in the US have an abysmal track record for accuracy and also knowingly lied to the public - e.g. advising against masks at the outset because they wanted to preserve their mask supply. Saying that public health institutions should be illegal to criticize is such an extremely myopic, cowardly, and sycophantic view I previously wouldn't have thought anyone actually believed it. Finally, just for fun, there's a significant possibility the US public health institute bear responsibility for the pandemic itself - to the extent they funded gain of function research and the Wuhan Institute where COVID possibly (likely?) escaped.
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- dillondoyle 4y agoMSM (men who have sex with me) mostly right now. Seems like it's just a new STD, but perhaps someone has reading/research showing it's spreading at any significant scale further than that. Hopefully we handle it better than we did HIV Also it's pride right now sooo... Just like Chinese New Year couldn't have picked a more opportune time.
- ginja 4y ago>men who have sex with me Please start practicing abstinence before you get everyone sick, you sexy bastard!
- feet 4y agoMans out here hoggin all the booty
- dillondoyle 4y agoLol but it's pride!!!!
- sterlind 4y agomonkeypox is far less dangerous than HIV, as well as acute rather than an insidiously slow burn. and we have a vaccine for it, which we've already stockpiled. also you have a hilarious typo. you must be quite the stud!
- treeman79 4y agoHIV was an absolute death sentence when I was growing up.
- foldr 4y ago>Seems like it's just a new STD There’s no evidence that the mode of transmission of this variant is specifically sexual. Monkeypox in general can be spread by close contact (such as e.g. holding hands, sharing bedsheets, …).
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- tidenly 4y agoMy guess is that it doesn't mutate as quickly as a corona virus - so our body can build a defense against it rather easily without high chances of re-infection, just like most other poxes. It basically is quite slow moving, and will burn through its fuel in the major population centers quickly if it does peak - unlike corona which can just keep peaking after it mutates using the same people.
- News-Dog 4y ago>"The fact that we can't reconstruct the transmission-chain means that we are likely missing a lot of links in that chain,"< Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Brown University, says. -- In other words: >"We have no concept of the scale of the monkeypox-outbreak in the U.S.,"< says biologist Joseph Osmundson at New York University. -- Monkeypox Virus (MPXV) – 2022-Outbreak (Current Cases) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_monkeypox_outbreak https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_monkeypox_outbreak Cases per Country and Territory (outside of endemic African Countries) Spread of disease as of 23 June 2022 - Confirmed 4,440 -- Suspected 168 -- Total 4,608 -- Edit: add; search: >'Monkeypox Virus (MPXV) ring-based vaccination'< :@DDG : <https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q='Monkeypox irus (MPXV) ring-based vaccination' https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q='Monkeypox irus (MPXV) r...>
- readthenotes1 4y agoHuh. Sounds familiar.
- junofan 4y agoSix weeks into the outbreak and my local health authorities are out of vaccine doses with no timeline for when they’ll have more. Not impressed.
- patrick451 4y agoGood. Testing, testing, testing provided zero actionable insight for the last two years and did nothing but provide authorities with sledge hammer that glimmered like Science they could use to whip the public with into a FUD filled frenzy.
- rouanza 4y agowhat if monkeypox is just a sideeffect of the vaccines? any data on this possible correlation?
- BurningPenguin 4y agoVery unlikely, because the stuff in the vaccines doesn't stay around for very long. Monkeypox isn't exactly new. It is around for several decades, with the occasional outbreak. Pretty much every outbreak is linked to Africa. It's a tropical disease after all. There are some thoughts, that the stop of routine smallpox vaccination might be one of the reasons why it spreads so easily now. The vaccine would be effective up to 85%. You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkeypox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkeypox
- sterlind 4y agomonkeypox is an orthopoxvirus, which is a completely different virus family from adenoviruses (which are used as the delivery vectors in the J+J and AZ vaccines.) it's also like, an existing virus, with a long history of outbreaks. why would it be a side effect? how could it? how are people so gullible? it's like asking if climate change is caused by chemtrails or something..
- bsaul 4y ago"how could it" - By weakening the immune system in general ( i have no idea if it's plausible, but i've seen people saying vaccines were also having detrimental side-effects for ages, even before covid) - by having the body produce facilitating antibodies once again, not saying those hypothesis are true. Only that it seems to me it's super hard to predict side-effects of anything in the fields of biology, especially when you're talking about rare occurrences.
- bigbillheck 4y agoYou know what really messes up your immune system? Getting covid.
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- consumer451 4y agoThat’s going to need a citation.
- eurasiantiger 4y agoI don’t think this kind of offensive action against multiple nation-states is punishable by a simple citation.
- cguess 4y agoIt's a disease we have a vaccine for (stockpiled even), have studied extensively for decades, causes low to no long term issues and isn't debilitating. Pretty awful as bioweapon choice.
- eurasiantiger 4y agoDepends on what the weapon is used for. An epidemic of a disfiguring disease linked to a divisive minority is a breeding ground for hate. It fosters in- and outgroup geopolitical identities and redirects domestic attention away from world issues.
- bigbillheck 4y agoWrong kind of citation.
- consumer451 4y agoYes. Thanks. I actually woke up this morning with this exact concern about my comment. Brains are funny.
- rightbyte 4y agoWhat was the name of the scapegoat pig in The Animal Farm? Napoleon? Lets blame Napoleon.
- im3w1l 4y agoI'm on the record as advocating a tough response to Covid in the early stages, and then changing my tune into just letting it happen once it got out of control. I think the window of opportunity for easily containing this is closing. If we don't get this under control soon we will have to do either very broad vaccinations or just accept that we will all get it. People just don't seem to get what a huge issue stalling is when faced with an exponentially growing problem. Bavarian Nordic supposedly has a couple million vaccine doses. That's a lot if deployed now, but insignificant if deployed later. They claim they wont be able to manufacture more this year. There is also the other vaccine, the older acam2000 but that one has serious side effects.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoThe vaccine for this is very different, stabbing your arm 15 times and all…
- im3w1l 4y agoYes that is the older vaccine I referred to. The Jynneos vaccine by Bavarian Nordic on the other hand does not require this.
- LatteLazy 4y agoThe fact this outbreak is multi-country (it's here in the UK) and that it has not burned itself out (Monkey Pox isnt meant to spread from human to human easily) makes me think it's being badly underestimated in threat/risk terms...
- draw_down 4y agoAlright, so we need to prevent people from getting together and engaging in behavior that spreads the disease. Oh, we’re not doing that for this one? Ah okay.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoProbably because it’s not as fatal.
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- mensetmanusman 4y agoBy definition all outbreaks will be bigger than CDC reports because the cost of testing is not zero.
- todd8 4y agoA paper was recently published on the assembly of monkey pox virus through recombination technology in a lab. The work was done before the end of 2021 because that was when the paper was submitted for publication, see [1]. I don't understand why one would want go full Frankenstein and build a dangerous pathogen from scratch. Interestingly, the work was funded by the and performed at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, from the paper: This work was supported by the National Science and Technology Major Project of China (2018ZX10711001-006) and the Key Research Program of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (KJZD-SW-L06-02). YouTube video, see [2]. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X22000414# https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X2...! [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E6cD-VWhQY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E6cD-VWhQY
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- 908B64B197 4y ago> I don't understand why one would want go full Frankenstein and build a dangerous pathogen from scratch. Especially after failing dramatically in early 2020.
- acoard 4y agoI'm not seeing the connection to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The word Wuhan doesn't appear on the page (CTRL+F), nor do I see a clear one-to-one association to Wuhan from "National Science and Technology Major Project of China" or "Key Research Program of the Chinese Academy of Sciences." I haven't opened the YouTube video as I'm on data right now.
- todd8 4y agoThe affiliation of authors of academic papers is usually indicated by the footnotes associated with the authors names. You will see some small letters like superscripts next to the authors names. All of them list one or two affiliations with the first one being (a): State Key Laboratory of Virology, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Center for Biosafety Mega-Science, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, 430071, China
- aaron695 4y ago