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> This … has nothing to do with liberalism. Yes it does. In trying to deny that a particular pessimistic view of the future has anything to do with liberalism,

> This … has nothing to do with liberalism. Yes it does. In trying to deny that a particular pessimistic view of the future has anything to do with liberalism, you have presented what amounts to a U.S. progressive liberal view of the world's problems. People on the right see things differently. One way to illustrate this is to compare how your concerns are treated in the U.S. Dem. party platform [1] vs the GOP party platform [2]. For example, "inequ" has 92 hits in the Dem. platform and 1 hit in the GOP platform. "climate" has 92 hits in the Dem. platform, and just 10 in the GOP platform, many of which are part of proposals the Dems would oppose, such as halting funding for the UNFCCC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Framework_Convention_on_Climate_Change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Framework_Conve...). > And one party is going down a dark road (they just had a convention in Hungary to learn how illiberal democracies work). That is a left-wing view of the issue. The right is more like "GOP Senators Praise Hungary's Orbán After Tucker Carlson promotes him"(https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-senators-praise-hungary-orban-after-seeing-him-tucker-carlson-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-senators-praise-hungary-...). > There's now a nationalist party running at the federal level in Canada. Many on the right would consider this a good thing. And so on. [1]https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/ https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/ [2] https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL%5B1%5D-ben_1468872234.pdf https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FIN... (This is the 2016 GOP platform, but the GOP resolved in 2020 to continue to uphold the 2016 platform until 2024 [3].) [3] https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs/Resolution_Platform_2020.pdf https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs/Resolution_Platform_202...

light_hue_1 4y ago
> Yes it does. In trying to deny that a particular pessimistic view of the future has anything to do with liberalism, you have presented what amounts to a U.S. progressive liberal view of the world's problems. People on the right see things differently. That's simply not true. The left and the right see the same decay. The only difference is the causes they attribute to that decay, not the facts. Literally, what was Trump's platform? Let's return to the 1960s-1990s era because the country/world used to work back then. Nothing about housing not being affordable anymore has anything to do with have left or right wing politics. About college being unaffordable. About healthcare and childcare costs skyrocketing to absurd levels. It's not a partisan issue, it's an economic reality that people explain with their partisan views. Nothing about corruption being out of control has anything to do about being on the left or on the right. The right believes that Clinton and Biden are extremely corrupt, to such an extreme that would be unimaginable 20 years ago. The left believes that Trump is extremely corrupt, to a similar level. Both the left and the right are recognizing and responding to the same economic, social, and environmental decay. There's no optimistic outcome present on either side. If someone on the right were to produce my list, it would be the same, except that they would swap out some of the dark actions of the right, with dark actions of the left.

light_hue_1 4y ago

> Yes it does. In trying to deny that a particular pessimistic view of the future has anything to do with liberalism, you have presented what amounts to a U.S. progressive liberal view of the world's problems. People on the right see things differently. That's simply not true. The left and the right see the same decay. The only difference is the causes they attribute to that decay, not the facts. Literally, what was Trump's platform? Let's return to the 1960s-1990s era because the country/world used to work back then. Nothing about housing not being affordable anymore has anything to do with have left or right wing politics. About college being unaffordable. About healthcare and childcare costs skyrocketing to absurd levels. It's not a partisan issue, it's an economic reality that people explain with their partisan views. Nothing about corruption being out of control has anything to do about being on the left or on the right. The right believes that Clinton and Biden are extremely corrupt, to such an extreme that would be unimaginable 20 years ago. The left believes that Trump is extremely corrupt, to a similar level. Both the left and the right are recognizing and responding to the same economic, social, and environmental decay. There's no optimistic outcome present on either side. If someone on the right were to produce my list, it would be the same, except that they would swap out some of the dark actions of the right, with dark actions of the left.