Agreed. It also goes back to the sys admin problem which devops optimised in that the Dev team owns there code in production. I've seen success with a dedicate

Agreed. It also goes back to the sys admin problem which devops optimised in that the Dev team owns there code in production. I've seen success with a dedicated devops member on a team but having a dedicated devops team just introduces delays and latency when fixing pipelines or releasing. The very same problem we had with sys admins.