> Well, you can't simultaneously tear down silos and continue to have two silos... I would hope that would be obvious? The new cross-functional team is made up

> Well, you can't simultaneously tear down silos and continue to have two silos... I would hope that would be obvious? The new cross-functional team is made up of the Dev people who are now doing Ops and the Ops people who are now doing Dev, with everyone else no longer fitting into the new DevOps reality, There's a project I'm tangentially involved in, that has app tiers written in different languages where the devs in either tier don't actually know the language of the other tier. They're still on the same team; they talk at the morning meeting, they work together to get things done, they have the same overall set of goals. Despite not doing eachother's work (or even being able to), they're not in silos. There's no throwing stuff over the wall.