Developers should have some grasp of ops work, and be able to deal with some ops-related issues, and take part of the design of the ops-side of the software del

Developers should have some grasp of ops work, and be able to deal with some ops-related issues, and take part of the design of the ops-side of the software delivery, so as to make sure the infra and deployment workflow they deal with works for them. But yes it makes sense to me to still have people specialized in ops and infra in teams, collaborating with developers. Basically, instead of having developers doing everything or just developing and throwing code out to an ops team, we should have developers educated in operations, working in teams with at least one operation specialist (or "DevOps engineer"). That way, you should end up with infra, deployment workflow that really works for the team and is optimized for the needs of the team.