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No it's not. You're just getting too technical. Star wars is science fiction. Because in the same vein you could call LOTR science fiction too because the fant

No it's not. You're just getting too technical. Star wars is science fiction. Because in the same vein you could call LOTR science fiction too because the fantasy elements are just natural properties of the created world. The "magic" can technically be technology as well.

LegitShady 4y ago
Star wars has literal space magic. Hard disagree. It's not in any way speculative fiction - it's a fantasy story told in a sci Fi aesthetic. LOTR is explicitly a fantasy story in a fantasy aesthetic. Magic can be technology but it doesn't try to be in either of the stories you mention.
- deltaonezero 4y ago
  >it's a fantasy story told in a sci Fi aesthetic. The aesthetic is what defines the genre. There's tons of garbage technology in other sci-fi works that are beyond what's even speculative. Star wars is not the only art work that does this. Midi chloreans (The technical/scientific explanation for the force) are way less speculative then alot of the sci fi that's out there.
  - LegitShady 4y ago
    midichloreans didn't exist in star wars cannon until 2007 in a 'making of' book - star wars was conceived without midichloreans and were retconned in later. Lucas in 1981 said being a jedi was like doing yoga - anyone can do it, but only people who work at it get good. see the citation here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#cite_note-The_Making_of_Return_of_the_Jedi-21 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#cite_note-The... The story of star wars is a fantasy story complete with magic. You can shift the entire thing to ancient china and adjust all the set pieces for the time and it would still work. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep started as speculative fiction and is still speculative fiction after its transition to the screen.
    - deltaonezero 4y ago
      I wrote this piece in response to your comment: https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/is-star-wars-science-fiction-or-fantasy https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/is-star-wars-science-f... Just kidding, but it's equivalent to what I would've wrote. >You can shift the entire thing to ancient china and adjust all the set pieces for the time and it would still work. Bro, I'm chinese. Ancient China is neither Fantasy or Sci-Fi. It's a whole different genre called Wuxia. Fantasy and wuxia are not compatible.
      - LegitShady 4y ago
        >Somewhere, someone is rolling their eyes because they are saying my entire argument for proving that Star Wars is science fiction is based on the fact that populism changed the definition of science fiction because of Star Wars. And to that eye-roller, I'd like to just say: That's exactly what I'm saying. Ya, but he's wrong. It's like a library putting a fiction book in the non fiction, and because its popular, redefining non fiction because the fiction book is popular. He's got an opinion, and I disagree, and we're equally valid. >Bro, I'm chinese. Ancient China is neither Fantasy or Sci-Fi. It's a whole different genre called Wuxia. Fantasy and wuxia are not compatible. That's not an argument, that's a conclusion without any supporting arguments. Dismissed as nonsense as easily as posited without effort. By your arguments if it got popular it would redefine wuxia and now wuxia would include it.
        deltaonefour 4y ago
        >That's not an argument, that's a conclusion without any supporting arguments. Dismissed as nonsense as easily as posited without effort. This is HN not nature. It's not a scientific debtate, just a general conversation so the level of proof is not super high. You just have to trust me that I'm born in China, and Fantasy is not Wuxia. Just like you would have to trust a black person when he says he's not white. Don't go calling a black person white and don't go around saying you can move fucking star wars into Ancient China to a Chinese person who knows the culture and the genre. Actually don't listen to me. Go ahead and say whatever you want to people. When a black person tells you he's not white, demand a scientific inquiry to prove he's black. Either way agree to disagree. I think star wars if sci-fi. You don't. But I will say, if you ask most people, most people will say star wars is sci-fi. At least we can agree on that point.

LegitShady 4y ago

Star wars has literal space magic. Hard disagree. It's not in any way speculative fiction - it's a fantasy story told in a sci Fi aesthetic. LOTR is explicitly a fantasy story in a fantasy aesthetic. Magic can be technology but it doesn't try to be in either of the stories you mention.

deltaonezero 4y ago
>it's a fantasy story told in a sci Fi aesthetic. The aesthetic is what defines the genre. There's tons of garbage technology in other sci-fi works that are beyond what's even speculative. Star wars is not the only art work that does this. Midi chloreans (The technical/scientific explanation for the force) are way less speculative then alot of the sci fi that's out there.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  midichloreans didn't exist in star wars cannon until 2007 in a 'making of' book - star wars was conceived without midichloreans and were retconned in later. Lucas in 1981 said being a jedi was like doing yoga - anyone can do it, but only people who work at it get good. see the citation here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#cite_note-The_Making_of_Return_of_the_Jedi-21 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#cite_note-The... The story of star wars is a fantasy story complete with magic. You can shift the entire thing to ancient china and adjust all the set pieces for the time and it would still work. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep started as speculative fiction and is still speculative fiction after its transition to the screen.
  - deltaonezero 4y ago
    I wrote this piece in response to your comment: https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/is-star-wars-science-fiction-or-fantasy https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/is-star-wars-science-f... Just kidding, but it's equivalent to what I would've wrote. >You can shift the entire thing to ancient china and adjust all the set pieces for the time and it would still work. Bro, I'm chinese. Ancient China is neither Fantasy or Sci-Fi. It's a whole different genre called Wuxia. Fantasy and wuxia are not compatible.
    - LegitShady 4y ago
      >Somewhere, someone is rolling their eyes because they are saying my entire argument for proving that Star Wars is science fiction is based on the fact that populism changed the definition of science fiction because of Star Wars. And to that eye-roller, I'd like to just say: That's exactly what I'm saying. Ya, but he's wrong. It's like a library putting a fiction book in the non fiction, and because its popular, redefining non fiction because the fiction book is popular. He's got an opinion, and I disagree, and we're equally valid. >Bro, I'm chinese. Ancient China is neither Fantasy or Sci-Fi. It's a whole different genre called Wuxia. Fantasy and wuxia are not compatible. That's not an argument, that's a conclusion without any supporting arguments. Dismissed as nonsense as easily as posited without effort. By your arguments if it got popular it would redefine wuxia and now wuxia would include it.
      - deltaonefour 4y ago
        >That's not an argument, that's a conclusion without any supporting arguments. Dismissed as nonsense as easily as posited without effort. This is HN not nature. It's not a scientific debtate, just a general conversation so the level of proof is not super high. You just have to trust me that I'm born in China, and Fantasy is not Wuxia. Just like you would have to trust a black person when he says he's not white. Don't go calling a black person white and don't go around saying you can move fucking star wars into Ancient China to a Chinese person who knows the culture and the genre. Actually don't listen to me. Go ahead and say whatever you want to people. When a black person tells you he's not white, demand a scientific inquiry to prove he's black. Either way agree to disagree. I think star wars if sci-fi. You don't. But I will say, if you ask most people, most people will say star wars is sci-fi. At least we can agree on that point.