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until a few years ago, it was implicit that everyone contributing to open-source projects would treat each other respectfully, because personal politics or iden

until a few years ago, it was implicit that everyone contributing to open-source projects would treat each other respectfully, because personal politics or identity issues or whatever were wholly divorced from writing code to make computers do things. this is no longer the case, and people running many open-source projects feel the need to legislate morality upon its contributors, as though they were kindergarten teachers. I personally find this objectionable, and such "spaces" make me feel unwelcome... but, again, I don't care, I don't feel entitled to be a part of any online "space" other than ones I myself create. what could possibly cause this sense of entitlement in your mind? what universal moral imperative do you believe exists that everyone is supposed to abide by with regards to publicly allowing contributions to their own open-source programming projects, and why do you believe it does or should exist?

nindalf 4y ago
> what could possibly cause this sense of entitlement You keep typing this out in different words, almost like you're seeking to reinforce over and over that I'm entitled. I see what you're doing, you're heard. And I'll say what I've said earlier - I feel entitled to be treated well because people generally treat me well. And your brilliant contribution is "but why should that be the norm?" Thanks.
- adamrezich 4y ago
  >I feel hurt. >I shouldn’t be made to feel like this this is entitlement. en·ti·tle·ment /inˈtīdlmənt,enˈtīdlmənt/ noun the fact of having a right to something. somehow reading a Code of Ethics for an open-source project you had an extremely slim chance of ever contributing to has emotionally injured you enough to express said injury on the Internet. when you say "I should not be made to feel like this", you are saying that the sqlite devs are morally in the wrong for having their Code of Ethics written the way that it is, because just reading it caused you pain, because of their implicit disregard for your feelings, Random Person On The Internet. I'm having trouble seeing the disconnect between "somebody on the Internet has a project whose Code of Ethics caused me emotional pain because it made me feel unwelcome" and the word "entitlement". could you please clarify?
  - somehnguy 4y ago
    There's something about your line of commenting that just strikes me as dishonest and to be completely honest, kind of gross. I can't quite put my finger on why I feel that way about it though. Maybe the air of superiority that comes though, like you're talking down - 'so entitled, I however would never feel such a thing'. I dunno. Just thought I would say my thoughts out loud, take it as you will.
    - teakettle42 4y ago
      Frankly I thought the opposite. It was a cogent breakdown of the flawed reasoning upon which then original author’s premise lies.
      - adamrezich 4y ago
        thank you—it's disappointing that trying to get people to articulate why they feel a certain way about something is met with such pushback. the parent comment to yours is especially baffling—I can't imagine publicly telling someone that what they've written is "gross" without being able to directly explain why, because that just seems unjustly offensive to me. as an amateur Internet ethnographer I have theories about the pathology of course, but there's no point in sharing them here.
aldonius 4y ago
> because personal politics or identity issues or whatever were wholly divorced from writing code to make computers do things I'd disagree there. The free-software movement, for example, is fundamentally tied up with a certain set of political-moral principles; the open-source movement is similarly tied up with a somewhat different set of principles. If someone's "not political" then maybe they're a weathervane, or professionally neutral, but it's probably more likely that what they think of as "politics" isn't currently fighting over a topic of salience to them.

nindalf 4y ago

> what could possibly cause this sense of entitlement You keep typing this out in different words, almost like you're seeking to reinforce over and over that I'm entitled. I see what you're doing, you're heard. And I'll say what I've said earlier - I feel entitled to be treated well because people generally treat me well. And your brilliant contribution is "but why should that be the norm?" Thanks.

adamrezich 4y ago
>I feel hurt. >I shouldn’t be made to feel like this this is entitlement. en·ti·tle·ment /inˈtīdlmənt,enˈtīdlmənt/ noun the fact of having a right to something. somehow reading a Code of Ethics for an open-source project you had an extremely slim chance of ever contributing to has emotionally injured you enough to express said injury on the Internet. when you say "I should not be made to feel like this", you are saying that the sqlite devs are morally in the wrong for having their Code of Ethics written the way that it is, because just reading it caused you pain, because of their implicit disregard for your feelings, Random Person On The Internet. I'm having trouble seeing the disconnect between "somebody on the Internet has a project whose Code of Ethics caused me emotional pain because it made me feel unwelcome" and the word "entitlement". could you please clarify?
- somehnguy 4y ago
  There's something about your line of commenting that just strikes me as dishonest and to be completely honest, kind of gross. I can't quite put my finger on why I feel that way about it though. Maybe the air of superiority that comes though, like you're talking down - 'so entitled, I however would never feel such a thing'. I dunno. Just thought I would say my thoughts out loud, take it as you will.
  - teakettle42 4y ago
    Frankly I thought the opposite. It was a cogent breakdown of the flawed reasoning upon which then original author’s premise lies.
    - adamrezich 4y ago
      thank you—it's disappointing that trying to get people to articulate why they feel a certain way about something is met with such pushback. the parent comment to yours is especially baffling—I can't imagine publicly telling someone that what they've written is "gross" without being able to directly explain why, because that just seems unjustly offensive to me. as an amateur Internet ethnographer I have theories about the pathology of course, but there's no point in sharing them here.

aldonius 4y ago

> because personal politics or identity issues or whatever were wholly divorced from writing code to make computers do things I'd disagree there. The free-software movement, for example, is fundamentally tied up with a certain set of political-moral principles; the open-source movement is similarly tied up with a somewhat different set of principles. If someone's "not political" then maybe they're a weathervane, or professionally neutral, but it's probably more likely that what they think of as "politics" isn't currently fighting over a topic of salience to them.