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Star Wars was better.

by tus666 4y ago

mhh__ 4y ago
What is star wars actually about though. There's probably no blade runner without star wars but it's just childish/shallow if you don't buy into George Lucas. The originals are good movies but only empire is truly great and even then it's just a good flick. It asks almost no questions of the audience.
- corrral 4y ago
  > The originals are good movies but only empire is truly great and even then it's just a good flick. It asks almost no questions of the audience. Star Wars (as in, "Episode IV: A New Hope") gets a lot of points on the greatness scale for basically inventing the multi-genre pastiche film, and for being a pretty good example of the practice. Empire's a better movie in a lot of ways, but less ground-breaking as far as the storytelling goes. But yeah, no Star Wars films are high art. The first two, especially, though, get a lot of basic stuff right and have fairly straightforward plots, so they make for excellent examples for illustrating many of aspects of film story-telling: mood, plotting, characterization, foreshadowing, setup/payoff in general, et c.
  - mhh__ 4y ago
    That's a fair assessment. I like them, I don't like the mythology of star wars movies. And not even the originals, people actually think the prequels are some misunderstood masterpieces...
kennywinker 4y ago
Star Wars isn't science fiction, it's fantasy
- deltaonefour 4y ago
  No it's not. You're just getting too technical. Star wars is science fiction. Because in the same vein you could call LOTR science fiction too because the fantasy elements are just natural properties of the created world. The "magic" can technically be technology as well.
  - LegitShady 4y ago
    Star wars has literal space magic. Hard disagree. It's not in any way speculative fiction - it's a fantasy story told in a sci Fi aesthetic. LOTR is explicitly a fantasy story in a fantasy aesthetic. Magic can be technology but it doesn't try to be in either of the stories you mention.
    - deltaonezero 4y ago
      >it's a fantasy story told in a sci Fi aesthetic. The aesthetic is what defines the genre. There's tons of garbage technology in other sci-fi works that are beyond what's even speculative. Star wars is not the only art work that does this. Midi chloreans (The technical/scientific explanation for the force) are way less speculative then alot of the sci fi that's out there.
      - LegitShady 4y ago
        midichloreans didn't exist in star wars cannon until 2007 in a 'making of' book - star wars was conceived without midichloreans and were retconned in later. Lucas in 1981 said being a jedi was like doing yoga - anyone can do it, but only people who work at it get good. see the citation here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#cite_note-The_Making_of_Return_of_the_Jedi-21 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#cite_note-The... The story of star wars is a fantasy story complete with magic. You can shift the entire thing to ancient china and adjust all the set pieces for the time and it would still work. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep started as speculative fiction and is still speculative fiction after its transition to the screen.
        deltaonezero 4y ago
        I wrote this piece in response to your comment: https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/is-star-wars-science-fiction-or-fantasy https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/is-star-wars-science-f... Just kidding, but it's equivalent to what I would've wrote. >You can shift the entire thing to ancient china and adjust all the set pieces for the time and it would still work. Bro, I'm chinese. Ancient China is neither Fantasy or Sci-Fi. It's a whole different genre called Wuxia. Fantasy and wuxia are not compatible.

Star Wars was better.

by tus666 4y ago

Star Wars was better.

What is star wars actually about though. There's probably no blade runner without star wars but it's just childish/shallow if you don't buy into George Lucas. The originals are good movies but only empire is truly great and even then it's just a good flick. It asks almost no questions of the audience.

corrral 4y ago
> The originals are good movies but only empire is truly great and even then it's just a good flick. It asks almost no questions of the audience. Star Wars (as in, "Episode IV: A New Hope") gets a lot of points on the greatness scale for basically inventing the multi-genre pastiche film, and for being a pretty good example of the practice. Empire's a better movie in a lot of ways, but less ground-breaking as far as the storytelling goes. But yeah, no Star Wars films are high art. The first two, especially, though, get a lot of basic stuff right and have fairly straightforward plots, so they make for excellent examples for illustrating many of aspects of film story-telling: mood, plotting, characterization, foreshadowing, setup/payoff in general, et c.
- mhh__ 4y ago
  That's a fair assessment. I like them, I don't like the mythology of star wars movies. And not even the originals, people actually think the prequels are some misunderstood masterpieces...

kennywinker 4y ago

Star Wars isn't science fiction, it's fantasy

deltaonefour 4y ago
No it's not. You're just getting too technical. Star wars is science fiction. Because in the same vein you could call LOTR science fiction too because the fantasy elements are just natural properties of the created world. The "magic" can technically be technology as well.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  Star wars has literal space magic. Hard disagree. It's not in any way speculative fiction - it's a fantasy story told in a sci Fi aesthetic. LOTR is explicitly a fantasy story in a fantasy aesthetic. Magic can be technology but it doesn't try to be in either of the stories you mention.
  - deltaonezero 4y ago
    >it's a fantasy story told in a sci Fi aesthetic. The aesthetic is what defines the genre. There's tons of garbage technology in other sci-fi works that are beyond what's even speculative. Star wars is not the only art work that does this. Midi chloreans (The technical/scientific explanation for the force) are way less speculative then alot of the sci fi that's out there.
    - LegitShady 4y ago
      midichloreans didn't exist in star wars cannon until 2007 in a 'making of' book - star wars was conceived without midichloreans and were retconned in later. Lucas in 1981 said being a jedi was like doing yoga - anyone can do it, but only people who work at it get good. see the citation here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#cite_note-The_Making_of_Return_of_the_Jedi-21 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#cite_note-The... The story of star wars is a fantasy story complete with magic. You can shift the entire thing to ancient china and adjust all the set pieces for the time and it would still work. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep started as speculative fiction and is still speculative fiction after its transition to the screen.
      - deltaonezero 4y ago
        I wrote this piece in response to your comment: https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/is-star-wars-science-fiction-or-fantasy https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/is-star-wars-science-f... Just kidding, but it's equivalent to what I would've wrote. >You can shift the entire thing to ancient china and adjust all the set pieces for the time and it would still work. Bro, I'm chinese. Ancient China is neither Fantasy or Sci-Fi. It's a whole different genre called Wuxia. Fantasy and wuxia are not compatible.