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> If you have a truly diverse group of people, they will not suffer fascists in their group Not sure why one has to jump straight to fascists. Shouldn't a tru

> If you have a truly diverse group of people, they will not suffer fascists in their group Not sure why one has to jump straight to fascists. Shouldn't a truly diverse group of people always include people with views that you disagree with? Otherwise we're defining a diverse group as 'looking diverse ' yet all thinking the same.

LAC-Tech 4y ago
I think it's helpful when seeing the word "fascist" in 2022 to not take it literally. It now simply means "people to the right of me".
- gunfighthacksaw 4y ago
  It would be extremely naive to think that fascism only happened in the 1920s-1940s. Obviously, todays fascism looks nothing like that of the modern era, just as todays leftists are different. But it’s back, poisoning our democracies and pushing the world into a new hell. Putin is a neofascist. I could tell you which Americans are fascists, but you all get touchy when anyone brings it up.
  - LAC-Tech 4y ago
    Ah yes, the crypto-fascism conspiracy theory - or the blackshirt scare. There's fascists everywhere. They don't call themselves that, they don't organise under that label, and their views aren't particularly similar to historical fascism - but it's a serious threat! It's so powerful that they have to keep it a secret because they'll be cast out of polite society... At least McCarthy actually found people spying for the USSR.
    - gunfighthacksaw 4y ago
      > They don't call themselves that, they don't organise under that label Why would they? Much of our current mythology is based around slaughtering fascists in WW2. Why would anyone identify with that? > their views aren't particularly similar to historical fascism Hence the appellation of neofascism. There is a direct thread of political genealogy from the alt-right to the OG fascists, through the European Nouvelle Droite (inspired by Mussolini) and including figures like Steve Bannon who used to push the British BNP: a legitimately neofascist party. He also was buddy with Dugin for a while: a confirmed neofascist. Read some fucking history and get stuck into the thought and theories of the far right if you want to play this game son. > it's a serious threat! Finally, we can agree! Look at the escalating far right violence in the US and Canada, and the erosion of the open society in Europe, and the current actions of Russia and China.
      - stale2002 4y ago
        Or how about, instead of that, we recognize that the vast majority of people are not engaging in political violence, revolution, or physically attacking their political opponents, or any of these allegedly horrible things that you think are happening. And instead of that, we should recognize that most people just want to do work at their workplace, have friends, and live their life, and are not apart of any neo nazi groups that are going to target minorities at the drop of the hat. Most people, are just regular normal individuals, who are not engaging in horrible actions or attacks against others, and we do not need to be on a witch hunt to find the secret nazis that you think are hiding just around the corner.
      - tomp 4y ago
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    - jonathankoren 4y ago
      My sibling in humanity. I beg you. Read about the history of fascism and its contemporary movements instead of just parroting ill informed bumper stickers, because you’re about half a step away from saying the that the Democratic Republic of Germany was democracy.
      - LAC-Tech 4y ago
        Piece of advice - if someone disagrees with you and you want to change their mind don't tell them they are ignorant of history and they get their ideas from bumper stickers.
        jonathankoren 4y ago
        If you don’t want to be called ignorant of history, don’t spout obvious factual errors. But of course you knew you were caught in an embarrassing error, because you edited you comment to remove the fact that you called nazis socialists.
- lsh123 4y ago
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  - KMag 4y ago
    I wouldn't say National Socialism was purely left. It was economically extremely left-leaning and most of their social policies were extremely right-leaning. (Though, racism knows no political bounds... Stalin also practiced genocidal policies.) It's true that Hitler thought the US's free market economy was a Jewish ideal, and he thought the economic free market incentives (in the form of huge government contracts) would only benefit Jews without efficiently producing war material. The Nazis did have a form of command economy as a result, which turned out to not be as efficient.
    - Natsu 4y ago
      I mean, the economics of National Socialism aren't what people usually hate about it, they hate the authoritarianism where you were either their kind of socialist or they would beat you up and cast you out of society, even if you were some other stripe of socialist. So they became nearly universally hated by fighting anyone who wasn't one of them.
      - CRConrad 4y ago
        > ... the authoritarianism [of the Nazis] where you were either their kind of socialist ... They were no kind of socialist.
        KMag 4y ago
        It was ethnostate socialism. It was a command economy where industry was at the service of the people, but they had a perverse idea of who their people were and who they weren't. It really was a left-wing economic model with extreme right-wing social policy, plus lots of genocide.
        CRConrad 4y ago

LAC-Tech 4y ago

I think it's helpful when seeing the word "fascist" in 2022 to not take it literally. It now simply means "people to the right of me".

gunfighthacksaw 4y ago
It would be extremely naive to think that fascism only happened in the 1920s-1940s. Obviously, todays fascism looks nothing like that of the modern era, just as todays leftists are different. But it’s back, poisoning our democracies and pushing the world into a new hell. Putin is a neofascist. I could tell you which Americans are fascists, but you all get touchy when anyone brings it up.
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  Ah yes, the crypto-fascism conspiracy theory - or the blackshirt scare. There's fascists everywhere. They don't call themselves that, they don't organise under that label, and their views aren't particularly similar to historical fascism - but it's a serious threat! It's so powerful that they have to keep it a secret because they'll be cast out of polite society... At least McCarthy actually found people spying for the USSR.
  - gunfighthacksaw 4y ago
    > They don't call themselves that, they don't organise under that label Why would they? Much of our current mythology is based around slaughtering fascists in WW2. Why would anyone identify with that? > their views aren't particularly similar to historical fascism Hence the appellation of neofascism. There is a direct thread of political genealogy from the alt-right to the OG fascists, through the European Nouvelle Droite (inspired by Mussolini) and including figures like Steve Bannon who used to push the British BNP: a legitimately neofascist party. He also was buddy with Dugin for a while: a confirmed neofascist. Read some fucking history and get stuck into the thought and theories of the far right if you want to play this game son. > it's a serious threat! Finally, we can agree! Look at the escalating far right violence in the US and Canada, and the erosion of the open society in Europe, and the current actions of Russia and China.
    - stale2002 4y ago
      Or how about, instead of that, we recognize that the vast majority of people are not engaging in political violence, revolution, or physically attacking their political opponents, or any of these allegedly horrible things that you think are happening. And instead of that, we should recognize that most people just want to do work at their workplace, have friends, and live their life, and are not apart of any neo nazi groups that are going to target minorities at the drop of the hat. Most people, are just regular normal individuals, who are not engaging in horrible actions or attacks against others, and we do not need to be on a witch hunt to find the secret nazis that you think are hiding just around the corner.
    - tomp 4y ago
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  - jonathankoren 4y ago
    My sibling in humanity. I beg you. Read about the history of fascism and its contemporary movements instead of just parroting ill informed bumper stickers, because you’re about half a step away from saying the that the Democratic Republic of Germany was democracy.
    - LAC-Tech 4y ago
      Piece of advice - if someone disagrees with you and you want to change their mind don't tell them they are ignorant of history and they get their ideas from bumper stickers.
      - jonathankoren 4y ago
        If you don’t want to be called ignorant of history, don’t spout obvious factual errors. But of course you knew you were caught in an embarrassing error, because you edited you comment to remove the fact that you called nazis socialists.
lsh123 4y ago
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- KMag 4y ago
  I wouldn't say National Socialism was purely left. It was economically extremely left-leaning and most of their social policies were extremely right-leaning. (Though, racism knows no political bounds... Stalin also practiced genocidal policies.) It's true that Hitler thought the US's free market economy was a Jewish ideal, and he thought the economic free market incentives (in the form of huge government contracts) would only benefit Jews without efficiently producing war material. The Nazis did have a form of command economy as a result, which turned out to not be as efficient.
  - Natsu 4y ago
    I mean, the economics of National Socialism aren't what people usually hate about it, they hate the authoritarianism where you were either their kind of socialist or they would beat you up and cast you out of society, even if you were some other stripe of socialist. So they became nearly universally hated by fighting anyone who wasn't one of them.
    - CRConrad 4y ago
      > ... the authoritarianism [of the Nazis] where you were either their kind of socialist ... They were no kind of socialist.
      - KMag 4y ago
        It was ethnostate socialism. It was a command economy where industry was at the service of the people, but they had a perverse idea of who their people were and who they weren't. It really was a left-wing economic model with extreme right-wing social policy, plus lots of genocide.
        CRConrad 4y ago