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The fact that the few dense cities in the US where you don't need to drive everywhere are ridiculously expensive would indicate there's more demand for these ki
by droidist2 4y ago
The fact that the few dense cities in the US where you don't need to drive everywhere are ridiculously expensive would indicate there's more demand for these kinds of places than we're supplying.
- treis 4y agoYour cause and effect is backwards. They're dense because they're expensive.
- spacemanmatt 4y agoThey're dense and expensive because they're desirable.
- treis 4y agoDesirable for reasons independent of their density. You can't, as an example, replicate Manhattan in Upstate NY and expect people to flock there.
- ClumsyPilot 4y agoif they were undesirable they woupd be cheaper than suburban properties. obviously the demand is there
- nrr 4y agoI'm not sure I follow. Could you perhaps explain?
- pandaman 4y agoYou could make an argument that people like traveling packed like sardines because airlines flight most people this way and it's also an expensive way to travel. However it does not follow, it's likely that people like convenience of air travel and value it more than the abysmal accommodations. To wit, the richest people travel in roomy private planes with plenty of room and the less rich go with business/1st class, also allowing more room. Likewise, even the most expensive cities still have mansions in the middle of micro-apartments. If these cities really were valued for their density, the mansions would either be gone or would be cheaper than the surrounding dense dwellings.
- nrr 4y agoWhat's the economic model you're applying?
- pandaman 4y agoI am applying the same reasoning the GGP post applies: the high price indicates desirability of dense accommodations. And I am explaining the GP's critique of this model.
- nrr 4y agoI feel like there's some disagreement somewhere that's preventing reconciliation of what's going on here. Does density imply micro-apartments? What's a micro-apartment? What's considered dense development? Are we looking at this through a macroeconomic model or a microeconomic model? If microeconomic, have we accounted for everything that confounds consumer choice and consumer demand? Given strict regulations on land use—the status quo today—is it reasonable to assume that mansions or villas within the city limits will be granted permits for denser development, whether that means interior renovations to convert them into multi-unit dwellings or razing the building and starting anew? The analyses so far plainly seem too simple.
- pandaman 4y agoSorry, if "micro" is bothering you. /s/micro/reasonable-sized/ it's not the point I am making.
- droidist2 4y agoIt's not the density directly though that people desire, it's what the density makes possible. Having a large home close to this hub of activity is what many consider the best of both worlds, and you have to be very rich to have that combination.
- pandaman 4y agoIf people do not desire density per se, they might not be desiring "not having to drive everywhere" either and that is just a side-effect of dense dwelling. E.g. the rich people living in the said mansions usually don't walk everywhere, do they now?
- justapassenger 4y agoLike land locked Manhattan? Or land locked SF?