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It's not a personal attack at all. You have a well reasoned post to a spitball of an idea. I've been poor, very poor, the poor that requires government assist

It's not a personal attack at all. You have a well reasoned post to a spitball of an idea. I've been poor, very poor, the poor that requires government assistance to live and I've been uppper middle class. The thing is the friends that I made when I was poor, are still poor. They are not they for lack of intelligence, but only for lack of ambition. Positive encouragement only works so much. Eventually there much be a consequence that is used as encouragement. Both methods work toget to build up a better overall tomorrow. I don't know the correct answer but the current methods do not seem to be working.

csydas 4y ago
I'm really glad and appreciate you took my post in the spirit I meant it, as I absolutely get the premise behind it. I just don't fully subscribe to your initial post, but really I appreciate your understanding. For full disclosure, I dream of Star Trek Space Socialism (post-scarcity), basically a world where yes, society ensures a minimum standard of living, but it's a pretty okay standard of living. A home with 4 walls + a roof + hot water, access to information, food, and no need to worry that this safety net gets removed. I've been poor as hell in the US (lived on eggs and rice in creative ways for many years), I've been rich as an oligarch in Eastern Europe, but my lowest point defined what I really wanted/needed, and I want this for everyone. I want a world where you just don't have to worry about the basics of life and instead focus just on what you want to. And it's a pretty good base-level living. I grew the most when I didn't need to worry about the basics, and I ready thousands of stories of the same, so I can't help but think this is the way to get society in a good spot. There will be freeloaders, sure, but I don't think it's statistically more than the current system enables. :)

csydas 4y ago

I'm really glad and appreciate you took my post in the spirit I meant it, as I absolutely get the premise behind it. I just don't fully subscribe to your initial post, but really I appreciate your understanding. For full disclosure, I dream of Star Trek Space Socialism (post-scarcity), basically a world where yes, society ensures a minimum standard of living, but it's a pretty okay standard of living. A home with 4 walls + a roof + hot water, access to information, food, and no need to worry that this safety net gets removed. I've been poor as hell in the US (lived on eggs and rice in creative ways for many years), I've been rich as an oligarch in Eastern Europe, but my lowest point defined what I really wanted/needed, and I want this for everyone. I want a world where you just don't have to worry about the basics of life and instead focus just on what you want to. And it's a pretty good base-level living. I grew the most when I didn't need to worry about the basics, and I ready thousands of stories of the same, so I can't help but think this is the way to get society in a good spot. There will be freeloaders, sure, but I don't think it's statistically more than the current system enables. :)