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Yahoo releases nodejs framework

155 points by bitsweet 15y ago

thedangler 15y ago
Sounds interesting. I have so many yahoo accounts. I make a account each time I try their products. I then loose interest and the account. Maybe I'll keep this one.
lanstein 15y ago
Typo in pic: Manhahattan
atarian 15y ago
It's unsettling how Yahoo management refuses to acknowledge Yahoo as a tech company despite great offerings like this.
georgemcbay 15y ago
Fixed headline: Yahoo releases nothing. Might release something in 2012. This jab is really on the HN article headline, not the link which properly headlines this news as "announces".
patrickaljord 15y ago
So is there a link to download that somewhere?
jeffreymcmanus 15y ago
So it looks like they're pre-announcing a developer platform as a way to support the launch of a consumer app (Livestand). But the actual developer bits aren't actually available yet? What? Why are you wasting my time, Yahoo? Who does this?
- joshu 15y ago
  Typical Yahoo. Maybe someone announced it so they could claim the buzz as progress? Didn't you work there?
  - jeffreymcmanus 15y ago
    Yes, I founded and ran Y's developer network, so I would have been the one to tell these guys that they can't pre-announce a developer product. The last year I ran YDN we were the most productive product organization in Yahoo, releasing a new developer product on average every month with a team of six people. A few years after I left I'd heard the team swelled to over 100 people and they had essentially stopped releasing developer products.
    - joshu 15y ago
      Yep. I'm familiar with the pain...
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wavephorm 15y ago
So basically YUI on the server and geared for publishers?
cies 15y ago
first video was quite nice, second video brings a lot of crap, for instance it sais: * "up until today you had to rewrite JS into another language in order to run on the server" (what about node.js that is around since '09, manhattan is not even released _today_) * manhattan provides a "service" called "performance", that nodejs does not have -- not kidding see 2:10 * and we have another word for widget!!! not applet, weblet, plasmoid, webobject, or simply widget: no, it is a "mojit" i would definitely give it a shot when it is released.. in between of all the non-sense it actually sounded quite interesting. it seems a bit richer then plain nodejs+jquery+heroku, especially wrt x-platform and client-and-or-server capable code.
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tlb 15y ago
I predict the coffee-themed frameworks will outperform the cocktail-themed frameworks, if only because of the developers who choose them.
- dos1 15y ago
  I, for one, am waiting for the Rusty Nail.
- stock_toaster 15y ago
  Someone should write a framework named 'Kahlúa' and bring these two groups together. :)
kapso 15y ago
No download link, no links to these projects. Well done yahoo.
jordow 15y ago
I've built a toolkit that does this very thing (rendering the user interface on either client or node.js arbitrarily) https://github.com/jordow/FaxJs/ https://github.com/jordow/FaxJs/ From the video: "There are a number of existing frameworks for javascript today, but there are none like Mojito that try to blur and succeed at blurring the the server client boundary." I commend Yahoo for tackling this extremely challenging problem. I'd love to see their framework so I can compare benchmarks with FaxJs. Let's see it Yahoo! I'm guessing Mojito has a ton of functionality surrounding ajax/queries and business logic modules etc. FaxJs is a work in progress, but it has a couple of novel concepts besides server side rendering: In FaxJs, your view is simply a function of your model, or a "projection". That function acts as an invariant that the system upholds at all times without introducing any other concepts/abstractions. Sometimes, a function is enough.
khookie 15y ago
is it just me or is this some sort of google app engine rehash with js?
tcarnell 15y ago
Not really sure what problem this solves. I could imagine something like this from college students, but with the resources Yahoo has I expect bigger, game changing technologies. The only Yahoo technology I use for web development is the YSlow Firebug plugin...which is itself infinately less useful than Firebug!
- pshapiro 15y ago
  infinitely

155 points by bitsweet 15y ago

Sounds interesting. I have so many yahoo accounts. I make a account each time I try their products. I then loose interest and the account. Maybe I'll keep this one.

lanstein 15y ago

Typo in pic: Manhahattan

atarian 15y ago

It's unsettling how Yahoo management refuses to acknowledge Yahoo as a tech company despite great offerings like this.

georgemcbay 15y ago

Fixed headline: Yahoo releases nothing. Might release something in 2012. This jab is really on the HN article headline, not the link which properly headlines this news as "announces".

patrickaljord 15y ago

So is there a link to download that somewhere?

jeffreymcmanus 15y ago

So it looks like they're pre-announcing a developer platform as a way to support the launch of a consumer app (Livestand). But the actual developer bits aren't actually available yet? What? Why are you wasting my time, Yahoo? Who does this?

joshu 15y ago
Typical Yahoo. Maybe someone announced it so they could claim the buzz as progress? Didn't you work there?
- jeffreymcmanus 15y ago
  Yes, I founded and ran Y's developer network, so I would have been the one to tell these guys that they can't pre-announce a developer product. The last year I ran YDN we were the most productive product organization in Yahoo, releasing a new developer product on average every month with a team of six people. A few years after I left I'd heard the team swelled to over 100 people and they had essentially stopped releasing developer products.
  - joshu 15y ago
    Yep. I'm familiar with the pain...
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wavephorm 15y ago

So basically YUI on the server and geared for publishers?

cies 15y ago

first video was quite nice, second video brings a lot of crap, for instance it sais: * "up until today you had to rewrite JS into another language in order to run on the server" (what about node.js that is around since '09, manhattan is not even released _today_) * manhattan provides a "service" called "performance", that nodejs does not have -- not kidding see 2:10 * and we have another word for widget!!! not applet, weblet, plasmoid, webobject, or simply widget: no, it is a "mojit" i would definitely give it a shot when it is released.. in between of all the non-sense it actually sounded quite interesting. it seems a bit richer then plain nodejs+jquery+heroku, especially wrt x-platform and client-and-or-server capable code.

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tlb 15y ago

I predict the coffee-themed frameworks will outperform the cocktail-themed frameworks, if only because of the developers who choose them.

dos1 15y ago
I, for one, am waiting for the Rusty Nail.
stock_toaster 15y ago
Someone should write a framework named 'Kahlúa' and bring these two groups together. :)

kapso 15y ago

No download link, no links to these projects. Well done yahoo.

jordow 15y ago

I've built a toolkit that does this very thing (rendering the user interface on either client or node.js arbitrarily) https://github.com/jordow/FaxJs/ https://github.com/jordow/FaxJs/ From the video: "There are a number of existing frameworks for javascript today, but there are none like Mojito that try to blur and succeed at blurring the the server client boundary." I commend Yahoo for tackling this extremely challenging problem. I'd love to see their framework so I can compare benchmarks with FaxJs. Let's see it Yahoo! I'm guessing Mojito has a ton of functionality surrounding ajax/queries and business logic modules etc. FaxJs is a work in progress, but it has a couple of novel concepts besides server side rendering: In FaxJs, your view is simply a function of your model, or a "projection". That function acts as an invariant that the system upholds at all times without introducing any other concepts/abstractions. Sometimes, a function is enough.

khookie 15y ago

is it just me or is this some sort of google app engine rehash with js?

tcarnell 15y ago

Not really sure what problem this solves. I could imagine something like this from college students, but with the resources Yahoo has I expect bigger, game changing technologies. The only Yahoo technology I use for web development is the YSlow Firebug plugin...which is itself infinately less useful than Firebug!

pshapiro 15y ago
infinitely