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Yep, I agree. Parenting in modern world while not being wealthy just sounds terrible. It's one huge regression from how it was done before we started civilizati

Yep, I agree. Parenting in modern world while not being wealthy just sounds terrible. It's one huge regression from how it was done before we started civilization, and especially since we started modern living (with atomic families, mass loneliness, rootlessness, jobs devoid of meaning, spending most of the day at the job instead of at the house, jobs so complex that your child can't understand them and can't learn them from you). Amenities and state help such as free kindergardens are just a drop in a bucket and will not help with falling reproduction rates in any meaningful way.

inawarminister 4y ago
To be fair, yesteryears' solutions to that for the typical non-rich people were to outsource parenting to grandparents and family friends, which are still applicable now. ... And have the elder siblings help take care of the younger, but I don't know if that's acceptable at all nowadays in the West or if that's one way to get the CPS involved.
- burntoutfire 4y ago
  > To be fair, yesteryears' solutions to that for the typical non-rich people were to outsource parenting to grandparents and family friends, which are still applicable now. It's way less aplicable because people move so much. Nowadays, not many people live around (say within 1 km distance) their extended family, whereas in pre-modern times it was the absolute norm. What's more, grandparents often lived in the same house and children were raised by multiple adults and not just their parents. The burden on parents was way lower.