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> You can disdain everyone and everything I can, but I am not. > and claim that people are incapable of having a serious conversation It is not about serious

> You can disdain everyone and everything I can, but I am not. > and claim that people are incapable of having a serious conversation It is not about seriousness, it’s about my interests. > You find the good in them among the garbage I’m not saying what they like to talk about is garbage, I’m just not interested in it. You’re the one making the value judgment. I don’t think that people who talk about football are stupid or disinteresting or lowbrow, I’m just not interested in it. > Look around and instead of feeling superior, I do not feel superior, I feel inferior. You see, you cannot come to my level. I’m not saying it is higher or lower, maybe just different. Not better, different.

noduerme 4y ago
> I don’t think that people who talk about football are stupid Hah. I actually do think they are, and I've had four years of not talking to my brother because he feels insulted by my opinion of his sports obsession. There's nothing wrong with value judgments. I don't know what your interests are, because you haven't expressed them. You've only expressed disinterest. Surely, if you have interests, there are other people with more knowledge in the area than you have, who you could learn something from. You can't possibly be the most knowledgeable person in everything you're interested in. Nor is anyone with your same interests likely to be a saint, or even worth spending time with in other capacities; but you may find you have something more in common with them than just your mutual interest if you care to look. > I do not feel superior, I feel inferior. You're not inferior. You might be self-loathing. That's ok. Everyone worth anything has been at one point. The only people not worth shit are the ones who never felt inferior.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  First, I’m 55 years old. Stop acting like I haven’t seen shit. I could’ve better worded it to say that it makes me feel inferior. I don’t believe I’m inferior and it doesn’t cause depression. The loneliness is what causes depression. And I’m not about to express my interest to sun stranger on the Internet that I don’t have a biological or physical connection with. That’s not the connection I’m looking for. And the fact that you think people who talk about football are stupid Is depressing. Football, to me, is stupid. But not the people. It’s not a value judgment to say you don’t like football it’s a value judgment to say people who like football are stupid.
  - EUV071STR48 4y ago
    Interesting comment exchange, both of you. The tone of your conversation seems almost enraged to me. That's why I want to get in quick. Because I don't quite understand why your positions didn't lead to a more light-hearted approach to the world. I'm in my 20s and feel a disconnect to (some, most, ?) people as well. I accepted that and called it a day. I encounter other fellow human beings as possibilities without expecting anything. I'm on a walk through life, mostly observe and act only if I want (or have) to. I'm quiet. > And I’m not about to express my interest to sun stranger on the Internet that I don’t have a biological or physical connection with. That’s not the connection I’m looking for. Can you elaborate why you accepted this argument then? I often wonder about this when internet stuff gets heated. I'm no stranger to this. For me it sometimes is a valve for something and that shows me I'm far from completed. It makes my a little more humble. > First, I’m 55 years old. I have respect for older people and what they have to say, but I also know my dad. By age (and your assumption), he has seen more than you, but... yeah. I came to the conclusion, it's not the quantity of what you've seen, but what you took from it. You surely have thought about that before, but then I wonder why you had to mention it
    - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
      It’s easier not to be enraged when you’re 20. It’s also easy to not be enraged if you’re not homeless living with a mental illness and treated like garbage every day. You know, it’s quite a natural reaction. Like a bear protecting its cubs. The moment you are suffering to such an extent and people ignore you and treat you like garbage and tell you what your experience actually is, you’ll understand why people get enraged. There is a myth about the noble suffering saint. That people who are suffering are supposed to just be quiet and gentle and not mention it and not disturb everyone else’s non-suffering life. But you know what? That’s bullshit. Do you know Jesus kicked over the bankers tables in the temple? No one asked him why he was angry. So you’re saying what I’m supposed to take from this experience that I have had, which I’m sure is nothing like your father’s, is when this person comes along and tells me that I think I’m better than them when I’m homeless with a mental illness I can’t help but to be extremely frustrated. And I hope my anger communicates more than only my words can get across. And on top of trying to cure my mental illness by learning genetics and nutritional biology, I’m also supposed to kowtow to everyone that doesn’t take a moment to understand my situation. You see in this positivity movement people see anger at something negative, but it’s not negative or positive, it’s just a way to communicate More than what words can carry. I know you don’t like to hear angry people, no one likes to hear angry people. But how do you make angry people not angry? By telling them to be more humble? Or do you do it by trying to understand their anger? I worked as a cashier and a grocery store for quite a few years. You meet a lot of angry people coming through the lines. Would it help them if I told them they shouldn’t be angry and they should be more humble? No, what helped was asking them how they were doing and what was going on. If there was any way I could help them. But you see no one else helping me. I’m saying this again because it’s important. I’m homeless living with a mental illness. And someone comes along and says my neurological divergence is something that I think is special and that I’m holding it over their heads like I’m some sort of special person. And I didn’t accept the argument, I responded to a comment. That’s how discussion works. I know a lot of people when confronted with negative emotions like to hide from them. “If you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all.“ But what I found out what happens when you do that is people step over you while you’re laying in the street. I do appreciate you asking this question, but I have some advice for you. You’re living by quotations and that’s no way to live. Like “it’s not the quantity of what you’ve seen but what you took from it”. If you think about that for a moment it makes no sense because I’m expressing to you what I took from my experience but there is a rejection of it. For some reason you have the assumption that the end result is i should not show any negative emotion. I’ve been there. I was a Buddhist before I was a Taoist. Believe me, I’m much happier and healthier being a Taoist. Here’s a tip: People who don’t want you to show negative emotions are people who want to control you. It’s gaslighting. We are nit Vulcans. But I don’t want you to assume for a moment that I hate This person I was having a conversation with. Being angry with someone doesn’t mean you hate them, being angry with someone means you love them enough to show them your true emotions and trust that they can handle them. And that’s a free tip for a happy marriage.
- mlyle 4y ago
  > > I don’t think that people who talk about football are stupid > Hah. I actually do think they are I'm not super interested in sports. But I think there's not much value in snap judgments that discount people because they happen to like one non-harmful thing. If sports are your number one interest, you're not likely to end up my best friend. But, otherwise... Even being mostly disinterested in sports-- my friends and connections that feel differently bring me little treasures of interest from their domain. Perspectives. Work ethic. Improbable things that have happened. Subcultures of fans and their views. Statistical analysis. Adversarial thinking in sport. Coaching. Analogies that many people understand because of their understanding of the story in sports. Etc. This is the benefit of having connections to people who like different things and have different perspectives. You can count on them to curate the "best" of their interests to share with and explain to you.
  - noduerme 4y ago
    > Perspectives. Work ethic. Improbable things that have happened. Subcultures of fans and their views. Statistical analysis. Adversarial thinking in sport. Coaching. These are all great aspects of sports and life. I wasn't trying to say I don't appreciate them. I probably ended up sounding like an anti-sport zealot. I'm not. I went to a minor league baseball game the same night I wrote this comment. My beef with my brother stems from my issues with the NFL in particular, pro sports and the militarization thereof in general, and also the unhealthy obsession with basing your identity on things like the record of the team you root for. There are lots of positive values that can be inculcated and obtained from sports, in a pure game. But I have an allergic reaction to the way celebrity pro sports is used in America as an adjunct to military recruitment, not to mention suppression and indoctrination of the working class. And I really have a problem with how spectatorship is used as a placebo for having an actual hobby or home grown set of interests.

noduerme 4y ago

> I don’t think that people who talk about football are stupid Hah. I actually do think they are, and I've had four years of not talking to my brother because he feels insulted by my opinion of his sports obsession. There's nothing wrong with value judgments. I don't know what your interests are, because you haven't expressed them. You've only expressed disinterest. Surely, if you have interests, there are other people with more knowledge in the area than you have, who you could learn something from. You can't possibly be the most knowledgeable person in everything you're interested in. Nor is anyone with your same interests likely to be a saint, or even worth spending time with in other capacities; but you may find you have something more in common with them than just your mutual interest if you care to look. > I do not feel superior, I feel inferior. You're not inferior. You might be self-loathing. That's ok. Everyone worth anything has been at one point. The only people not worth shit are the ones who never felt inferior.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
First, I’m 55 years old. Stop acting like I haven’t seen shit. I could’ve better worded it to say that it makes me feel inferior. I don’t believe I’m inferior and it doesn’t cause depression. The loneliness is what causes depression. And I’m not about to express my interest to sun stranger on the Internet that I don’t have a biological or physical connection with. That’s not the connection I’m looking for. And the fact that you think people who talk about football are stupid Is depressing. Football, to me, is stupid. But not the people. It’s not a value judgment to say you don’t like football it’s a value judgment to say people who like football are stupid.
- EUV071STR48 4y ago
  Interesting comment exchange, both of you. The tone of your conversation seems almost enraged to me. That's why I want to get in quick. Because I don't quite understand why your positions didn't lead to a more light-hearted approach to the world. I'm in my 20s and feel a disconnect to (some, most, ?) people as well. I accepted that and called it a day. I encounter other fellow human beings as possibilities without expecting anything. I'm on a walk through life, mostly observe and act only if I want (or have) to. I'm quiet. > And I’m not about to express my interest to sun stranger on the Internet that I don’t have a biological or physical connection with. That’s not the connection I’m looking for. Can you elaborate why you accepted this argument then? I often wonder about this when internet stuff gets heated. I'm no stranger to this. For me it sometimes is a valve for something and that shows me I'm far from completed. It makes my a little more humble. > First, I’m 55 years old. I have respect for older people and what they have to say, but I also know my dad. By age (and your assumption), he has seen more than you, but... yeah. I came to the conclusion, it's not the quantity of what you've seen, but what you took from it. You surely have thought about that before, but then I wonder why you had to mention it
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    It’s easier not to be enraged when you’re 20. It’s also easy to not be enraged if you’re not homeless living with a mental illness and treated like garbage every day. You know, it’s quite a natural reaction. Like a bear protecting its cubs. The moment you are suffering to such an extent and people ignore you and treat you like garbage and tell you what your experience actually is, you’ll understand why people get enraged. There is a myth about the noble suffering saint. That people who are suffering are supposed to just be quiet and gentle and not mention it and not disturb everyone else’s non-suffering life. But you know what? That’s bullshit. Do you know Jesus kicked over the bankers tables in the temple? No one asked him why he was angry. So you’re saying what I’m supposed to take from this experience that I have had, which I’m sure is nothing like your father’s, is when this person comes along and tells me that I think I’m better than them when I’m homeless with a mental illness I can’t help but to be extremely frustrated. And I hope my anger communicates more than only my words can get across. And on top of trying to cure my mental illness by learning genetics and nutritional biology, I’m also supposed to kowtow to everyone that doesn’t take a moment to understand my situation. You see in this positivity movement people see anger at something negative, but it’s not negative or positive, it’s just a way to communicate More than what words can carry. I know you don’t like to hear angry people, no one likes to hear angry people. But how do you make angry people not angry? By telling them to be more humble? Or do you do it by trying to understand their anger? I worked as a cashier and a grocery store for quite a few years. You meet a lot of angry people coming through the lines. Would it help them if I told them they shouldn’t be angry and they should be more humble? No, what helped was asking them how they were doing and what was going on. If there was any way I could help them. But you see no one else helping me. I’m saying this again because it’s important. I’m homeless living with a mental illness. And someone comes along and says my neurological divergence is something that I think is special and that I’m holding it over their heads like I’m some sort of special person. And I didn’t accept the argument, I responded to a comment. That’s how discussion works. I know a lot of people when confronted with negative emotions like to hide from them. “If you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all.“ But what I found out what happens when you do that is people step over you while you’re laying in the street. I do appreciate you asking this question, but I have some advice for you. You’re living by quotations and that’s no way to live. Like “it’s not the quantity of what you’ve seen but what you took from it”. If you think about that for a moment it makes no sense because I’m expressing to you what I took from my experience but there is a rejection of it. For some reason you have the assumption that the end result is i should not show any negative emotion. I’ve been there. I was a Buddhist before I was a Taoist. Believe me, I’m much happier and healthier being a Taoist. Here’s a tip: People who don’t want you to show negative emotions are people who want to control you. It’s gaslighting. We are nit Vulcans. But I don’t want you to assume for a moment that I hate This person I was having a conversation with. Being angry with someone doesn’t mean you hate them, being angry with someone means you love them enough to show them your true emotions and trust that they can handle them. And that’s a free tip for a happy marriage.
mlyle 4y ago
> > I don’t think that people who talk about football are stupid > Hah. I actually do think they are I'm not super interested in sports. But I think there's not much value in snap judgments that discount people because they happen to like one non-harmful thing. If sports are your number one interest, you're not likely to end up my best friend. But, otherwise... Even being mostly disinterested in sports-- my friends and connections that feel differently bring me little treasures of interest from their domain. Perspectives. Work ethic. Improbable things that have happened. Subcultures of fans and their views. Statistical analysis. Adversarial thinking in sport. Coaching. Analogies that many people understand because of their understanding of the story in sports. Etc. This is the benefit of having connections to people who like different things and have different perspectives. You can count on them to curate the "best" of their interests to share with and explain to you.
- noduerme 4y ago
  > Perspectives. Work ethic. Improbable things that have happened. Subcultures of fans and their views. Statistical analysis. Adversarial thinking in sport. Coaching. These are all great aspects of sports and life. I wasn't trying to say I don't appreciate them. I probably ended up sounding like an anti-sport zealot. I'm not. I went to a minor league baseball game the same night I wrote this comment. My beef with my brother stems from my issues with the NFL in particular, pro sports and the militarization thereof in general, and also the unhealthy obsession with basing your identity on things like the record of the team you root for. There are lots of positive values that can be inculcated and obtained from sports, in a pure game. But I have an allergic reaction to the way celebrity pro sports is used in America as an adjunct to military recruitment, not to mention suppression and indoctrination of the working class. And I really have a problem with how spectatorship is used as a placebo for having an actual hobby or home grown set of interests.