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The biggest cultural phenomenon I have seen recently that revolves around encouraging young men to adopt responsibility has been Jordan Peterson. It was bizarr

The biggest cultural phenomenon I have seen recently that revolves around encouraging young men to adopt responsibility has been Jordan Peterson. It was bizarre to see the popular media make him out to be somehow a "alt right misogynist fascist". I found he has well articulated and interesting points of view, and there were a lot of women who appreciated his message to young men, as they'd be dating this cohort of men. I think a lot can be taken with a pinch of salt, but to see the reaction against rather mild conservative viewpoint showed I think a problem.

hotpotamus 4y ago
The same Jordan Peterson who took responsibility for his benzodiazepine addiction by nearly killing himself with a gimmicky treatment rather than toughing out detox? Perhaps that's an ad hominem, but I have a hard time taking him seriously, though I truly wish him well with his psychological/addiction/medical issues. That said, what reward does Peterson say these men should get for their adoption of responsibility? Does it entitle them to any rewards?
- trentearl 4y ago
  He would say the reward is a meaningful life.
  - 202206241203 4y ago
    With the traditional family gone, that is probably the only thing left. Luckily, meaning can be found in different ways.
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    Is that to say you provide very measurable toil for intangible benefit?
    - trentearl 4y ago
      I'm not a big fan of his so I'm not sure, I just remember him saying responsibility is a prerequisite to a meaningful life.
      - hotpotamus 4y ago
        I think in some sense I agree with that idea. I think most people actually want to work and be a part of their community. The problem with modern Libertarian types (and I think Peterson is one) is that it's this utter Little House on the Prairie fantasy that has no idea how to deal with the modern realities of capital, and how it can subvert your freedom more effectively than the government they seek to vilify. And I think most people sense that now intuitively even if they can't put that into words. I believe Marx called it alienation of labor, but of course he's been quite effectively vilified as well.
        okeuro49 4y ago
        > modern Libertarian types (and I think Peterson is one) is that it's this utter Little House on the Prairie fantasy that has no idea how to deal with the modern realities of capital Peterson often talks about the realities of capital, referring to the "Matthew effect" and the dangers of "disenfranchisement of the people at the bottom", making the Left essential in his words.
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- wnolens 4y ago
  > what reward does Peterson say these men should get for their adoption of responsibility? I believe he offers it as an antidote to a life dearth of meaning.
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    I'm pretty sure that's what religion is for.

hotpotamus 4y ago

The same Jordan Peterson who took responsibility for his benzodiazepine addiction by nearly killing himself with a gimmicky treatment rather than toughing out detox? Perhaps that's an ad hominem, but I have a hard time taking him seriously, though I truly wish him well with his psychological/addiction/medical issues. That said, what reward does Peterson say these men should get for their adoption of responsibility? Does it entitle them to any rewards?

trentearl 4y ago
He would say the reward is a meaningful life.
- 202206241203 4y ago
  With the traditional family gone, that is probably the only thing left. Luckily, meaning can be found in different ways.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  Is that to say you provide very measurable toil for intangible benefit?
  - trentearl 4y ago
    I'm not a big fan of his so I'm not sure, I just remember him saying responsibility is a prerequisite to a meaningful life.
    - hotpotamus 4y ago
      I think in some sense I agree with that idea. I think most people actually want to work and be a part of their community. The problem with modern Libertarian types (and I think Peterson is one) is that it's this utter Little House on the Prairie fantasy that has no idea how to deal with the modern realities of capital, and how it can subvert your freedom more effectively than the government they seek to vilify. And I think most people sense that now intuitively even if they can't put that into words. I believe Marx called it alienation of labor, but of course he's been quite effectively vilified as well.
      - okeuro49 4y ago
        > modern Libertarian types (and I think Peterson is one) is that it's this utter Little House on the Prairie fantasy that has no idea how to deal with the modern realities of capital Peterson often talks about the realities of capital, referring to the "Matthew effect" and the dangers of "disenfranchisement of the people at the bottom", making the Left essential in his words.
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wnolens 4y ago
> what reward does Peterson say these men should get for their adoption of responsibility? I believe he offers it as an antidote to a life dearth of meaning.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure that's what religion is for.