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> Asking people to maintain total anonymity always, with any > slips punishable by permanent publication of that PII, might > be the current status quo, but

> Asking people to maintain total anonymity always, with any > slips punishable by permanent publication of that PII, might > be the current status quo, but is not where we as society > want to head. ‘Sea,’ cried Canute, ‘I command you to come no farther! Waves, stop your rolling, and do not dare to touch my feet!’

BoppreH 4y ago
The Google results are almost entirely from places that I control, directly or indirectly. I can delete the repos, retract my papers, ask moderators to remove my comments. For more serious cases there are courts and laws. There's no reason why language models should be immune from what is standard expected behavior in society. I'm not raging against the sea, I'm raging against a bulldozer operator who has plugged their ears.
- dahart 4y ago
  Why should AI have different privacy standards than google? The papers you referred too in the top comment have been talking about the ability for AI to infer PII from anonymous data. But that’s not what happened here. You are complaining about AI returning non-anonymous data with easily findable results via other mechanisms. I’m not sure I understand why AI should be expected to understand and filter out information that is otherwise public?
- bragr 4y ago
  >There's no reason why language models should be immune from what is standard expected behavior in society. So sue OpenAI then. That's your recourse if you believe you've been harmed. I don't think you'll be very successful, given that even people here aren't strongly on your side. I think normies on a jury trial are going to be even less sympathetic to your arguments than the HN crowd.
darkwater 4y ago
Well, if the sea was only made by humans and governed by human laws... Or for you the Internet is an uncontrollable force of nature?
- randallsquared 4y ago
  The aggregate of human action is uncontrollable, at least at our current understanding and level of technology. What is being asked to be controlled, here, is other humans, not connectivity and protocols, and controlling humans can be... difficult, whether by law, cultural norms, or whatnot.
yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
Yep, no way to do anything about the sea. Just ask the Netherlands.

BoppreH 4y ago

The Google results are almost entirely from places that I control, directly or indirectly. I can delete the repos, retract my papers, ask moderators to remove my comments. For more serious cases there are courts and laws. There's no reason why language models should be immune from what is standard expected behavior in society. I'm not raging against the sea, I'm raging against a bulldozer operator who has plugged their ears.

dahart 4y ago
Why should AI have different privacy standards than google? The papers you referred too in the top comment have been talking about the ability for AI to infer PII from anonymous data. But that’s not what happened here. You are complaining about AI returning non-anonymous data with easily findable results via other mechanisms. I’m not sure I understand why AI should be expected to understand and filter out information that is otherwise public?
bragr 4y ago
>There's no reason why language models should be immune from what is standard expected behavior in society. So sue OpenAI then. That's your recourse if you believe you've been harmed. I don't think you'll be very successful, given that even people here aren't strongly on your side. I think normies on a jury trial are going to be even less sympathetic to your arguments than the HN crowd.

darkwater 4y ago

Well, if the sea was only made by humans and governed by human laws... Or for you the Internet is an uncontrollable force of nature?

randallsquared 4y ago
The aggregate of human action is uncontrollable, at least at our current understanding and level of technology. What is being asked to be controlled, here, is other humans, not connectivity and protocols, and controlling humans can be... difficult, whether by law, cultural norms, or whatnot.

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

Yep, no way to do anything about the sea. Just ask the Netherlands.