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> Only a fool would assume responsibility when there's no benefit or requirement to do so. I take issue with this statement. It’s such an American take to say

> Only a fool would assume responsibility when there's no benefit or requirement to do so. I take issue with this statement. It’s such an American take to say that we need to reward all responsibility monetarily or meaningfully. A lot of time taking on responsibility for something is a privilege that you’re granted by a community, and you get a feeling of fulfilment and sense of meaning/community out of it. Replacing that human feeling with money a lot of the time cheapens it and makes the whole thing transactional.

synu 4y ago
I don’t live in America so I can’t say if GP is right or not, but I don’t think GP is saying those aren’t benefits, just that those benefits are given out to everyone regardless of taking responsibility, so there’s no incentive for anyone to do so. At least that’s how I read it.
Dudeman112 4y ago
Reminds me of that infamous comment[1] The reward doesn't have to be only monetary, but honestly? Actual responsibility is stressful when the cost of failure is high. It can also cost lots of time Responsibility isn't rewarding by itself to me - the things you've mentioned as intrinsic rewards can be achieved without it Maybe if I am ever financially independent and bored with everything else in life I'll rock that way to fill the void. Not before that [1] >paulriddle on Nov 16, 2019 It's funny how carefully you're stepping around financially rewarding people who do the work. It's like you know your status does not allow you to own the money generated, so you're settling for owning the results, the process, the method, the responsibility, the all. You are weak.
AstralStorm 4y ago
Thing is, people are not being rewarded even monetarily. Wages have been stagnating for many years. Many will end up homeless if they're not paid enough, and it's getting there. So no, replacing money with feel good benefits is not good enough. Most importantly it causes a problem where you're tied to a particular benefit if it is important. You cannot really have a community when people don't have enough to eat or place to live. Even more so, when some cop will arrive and force you out ignoring that community if you don't pay. It is also hard to build a community when you work 40+ hours a week, as people tend to be drained and need serious alone time to rest, especially if their work involves constant contact with others.

synu 4y ago

I don’t live in America so I can’t say if GP is right or not, but I don’t think GP is saying those aren’t benefits, just that those benefits are given out to everyone regardless of taking responsibility, so there’s no incentive for anyone to do so. At least that’s how I read it.

Dudeman112 4y ago

Reminds me of that infamous comment[1] The reward doesn't have to be only monetary, but honestly? Actual responsibility is stressful when the cost of failure is high. It can also cost lots of time Responsibility isn't rewarding by itself to me - the things you've mentioned as intrinsic rewards can be achieved without it Maybe if I am ever financially independent and bored with everything else in life I'll rock that way to fill the void. Not before that [1] >paulriddle on Nov 16, 2019 It's funny how carefully you're stepping around financially rewarding people who do the work. It's like you know your status does not allow you to own the money generated, so you're settling for owning the results, the process, the method, the responsibility, the all. You are weak.

AstralStorm 4y ago

Thing is, people are not being rewarded even monetarily. Wages have been stagnating for many years. Many will end up homeless if they're not paid enough, and it's getting there. So no, replacing money with feel good benefits is not good enough. Most importantly it causes a problem where you're tied to a particular benefit if it is important. You cannot really have a community when people don't have enough to eat or place to live. Even more so, when some cop will arrive and force you out ignoring that community if you don't pay. It is also hard to build a community when you work 40+ hours a week, as people tend to be drained and need serious alone time to rest, especially if their work involves constant contact with others.