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Can you show any evidence that people knowing they can get an abortion and where, leads to reduced contraception usage? Actually… next time you’re close to sle

Can you show any evidence that people knowing they can get an abortion and where, leads to reduced contraception usage? Actually… next time you’re close to sleeping with someone, say “hey, you can just get an abortion, we don’t need to use a condom”. Tell me what she says.

viraptor 4y ago
Evidence, no, that's why I wrote "potentially". This idea is extrapolated from something that already happens though - if people know plan B is easily accessible, they're not as regular with taking a daily pill as they'd be otherwise. Even though in practice that means higher risks. This I heard directly - don't know if there's any study. The whole idea is not about making a conscious, calculated choice. It's about how comfortable you become with certain risk. It's on the same level as: if we start advertising how safe airbags are, would we see the average speed get a tiny increase nationally.
- solar-ice 4y ago
  > if people know plan B is easily accessible, they're not as regular with taking a daily pill as they'd be otherwise I would like to know where this belief comes from. Discussing this change of law like this, with vague anecdotes and fears, is outright dangerous, since the argument is essentially against giving people appropriate medical information.
  - viraptor 4y ago
    > I would like to know where this belief comes from. In this case, from personally having conversations with two women who essentially said "I forgot the pill that day, but had sex anyway and got plan B in the morning". Also the context in this subthread is about commercial advertising and the impression of "cool", not about medical information. Completely separate ideas.
    - solar-ice 4y ago
      Abortion has never been advertised as “cool”, anywhere in the world, so I don’t know why that’s where your head goes. Women aren’t idiots - they are, usually, informed about their options, a heck of a lot more than the men fucking them are. People have always forgotten to take any pill they have to take regularly. Plan B gives people an option they didn’t have before when that happens. There’s no evidence there that Plan B causes people to take the pill less regularly. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/miss-combined-pill/ https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/miss-combined-pi... - “ If you have missed 1 pill anywhere in the pack or started a new pack 1 day late, you're still protected against pregnancy.”
      - viraptor 4y ago
        > I don’t know why that’s where your head goes This is literally the context of the speculation in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31883497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31883497 I'm done with this thread. Too many people jump to conclusions and don't understand threads of conversation.
        solar-ice 4y ago
        Even billboard advertisement is not the same as making it cool.
        kergonath 4y ago
        We’ve had billboards about keeping high-vis jackets in cars and wearing them in dangerous situations. It never made them, or having car accidents, cool in any way. The “speculation in this thread” is just that, baseless speculation and unfounded gut feelings.
    - kergonath 4y ago
      > In this case, from personally having conversations with two women who essentially said "I forgot the pill that day, but had sex anyway and got plan B in the morning". Plan B, in this case the morning after pill, is a different beast from what we usually discuss when talking about abortion. There are no real negative consequences when taking it (even more so when compared with contraception pills) so I am not sure why you are so afraid. IUDs are much better than pills anyway, and you can forget about them without issue. They also don’t cause hormone-related problems. If you are serious about your argument, you should advocate for this sort of device (and also abortion, because even if they are generally reliable, 0% risk does not exist). > Also the context in this subthread is about commercial advertising and the impression of "cool", not about medical information. That is a misunderstanding of the law in question, for which “advertising” means “making people aware of it”, and does include things like what is put on a doctor’s website and any document they distribute.
- dathinab 4y ago
  No people to it if plan be is _easy_ not easily accessible. Abortion is _never_ easy. Even if it is easy accessible. It's such a typical "I have no idea about the topic but insist on pretending I do argument". Also we did advertise how safe airbacks are in the past, it didn't make people drive more reckless as people generally do not balance risks and gains when they decide to drive fast. It's bs like saying because there is a hospital close by you are less care full with taking you heart medicine.
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viraptor 4y ago

Evidence, no, that's why I wrote "potentially". This idea is extrapolated from something that already happens though - if people know plan B is easily accessible, they're not as regular with taking a daily pill as they'd be otherwise. Even though in practice that means higher risks. This I heard directly - don't know if there's any study. The whole idea is not about making a conscious, calculated choice. It's about how comfortable you become with certain risk. It's on the same level as: if we start advertising how safe airbags are, would we see the average speed get a tiny increase nationally.

solar-ice 4y ago
> if people know plan B is easily accessible, they're not as regular with taking a daily pill as they'd be otherwise I would like to know where this belief comes from. Discussing this change of law like this, with vague anecdotes and fears, is outright dangerous, since the argument is essentially against giving people appropriate medical information.
- viraptor 4y ago
  > I would like to know where this belief comes from. In this case, from personally having conversations with two women who essentially said "I forgot the pill that day, but had sex anyway and got plan B in the morning". Also the context in this subthread is about commercial advertising and the impression of "cool", not about medical information. Completely separate ideas.
  - solar-ice 4y ago
    Abortion has never been advertised as “cool”, anywhere in the world, so I don’t know why that’s where your head goes. Women aren’t idiots - they are, usually, informed about their options, a heck of a lot more than the men fucking them are. People have always forgotten to take any pill they have to take regularly. Plan B gives people an option they didn’t have before when that happens. There’s no evidence there that Plan B causes people to take the pill less regularly. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/miss-combined-pill/ https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/miss-combined-pi... - “ If you have missed 1 pill anywhere in the pack or started a new pack 1 day late, you're still protected against pregnancy.”
    - viraptor 4y ago
      > I don’t know why that’s where your head goes This is literally the context of the speculation in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31883497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31883497 I'm done with this thread. Too many people jump to conclusions and don't understand threads of conversation.
      - solar-ice 4y ago
        Even billboard advertisement is not the same as making it cool.
      - kergonath 4y ago
        We’ve had billboards about keeping high-vis jackets in cars and wearing them in dangerous situations. It never made them, or having car accidents, cool in any way. The “speculation in this thread” is just that, baseless speculation and unfounded gut feelings.
  - kergonath 4y ago
    > In this case, from personally having conversations with two women who essentially said "I forgot the pill that day, but had sex anyway and got plan B in the morning". Plan B, in this case the morning after pill, is a different beast from what we usually discuss when talking about abortion. There are no real negative consequences when taking it (even more so when compared with contraception pills) so I am not sure why you are so afraid. IUDs are much better than pills anyway, and you can forget about them without issue. They also don’t cause hormone-related problems. If you are serious about your argument, you should advocate for this sort of device (and also abortion, because even if they are generally reliable, 0% risk does not exist). > Also the context in this subthread is about commercial advertising and the impression of "cool", not about medical information. That is a misunderstanding of the law in question, for which “advertising” means “making people aware of it”, and does include things like what is put on a doctor’s website and any document they distribute.
dathinab 4y ago
No people to it if plan be is _easy_ not easily accessible. Abortion is _never_ easy. Even if it is easy accessible. It's such a typical "I have no idea about the topic but insist on pretending I do argument". Also we did advertise how safe airbacks are in the past, it didn't make people drive more reckless as people generally do not balance risks and gains when they decide to drive fast. It's bs like saying because there is a hospital close by you are less care full with taking you heart medicine.

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