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Maybe one day when a bank permabans you after you've put years of money into it, and then they just reclaim all of your credits, and the reason they give you is

Maybe one day when a bank permabans you after you've put years of money into it, and then they just reclaim all of your credits, and the reason they give you is only that "you promoted your business in a sub and that's not allowed on this tiny part of reddit" and that is against "Rule #12" on a random subreddit that didn't even publish the rule... You probably still won't understand the ideal of how people regularly get chewed up and spit out by the massive social platform machine with no rights to appeal. Or perhaps you work as a Reddit mod and can't feel empathy for normal users any more... meh...

snickerbockers 4y ago
That's going to be a huge problem going forward. The whole parler thing from last year has me afraid because it showed how corporate america can collude together to remove you from society if you piss them off. In this specific case it happened to a bunch of assholes who probably deserved it, but in general this is extremely dangerous because of how much power is vested in private entities that have no public accountability. I'm personally of the opinion that, with respect to net neutrality, "service provider" should be interpreted as liberally as possible so that CDNs, hosts and SaaS platforms are subject to it instead of just companies that provide layer-3 internet access. And maybe the law should even be expanded so that it applies to financial institutions.
- winternett 4y ago
  Agreed. Most of the people that make the decisions and execute them are people who have no idea of the impacts of their moves. In so many situations now, platform code is written with a certain intent in mind, but then administered later by replacement employees who have no indication of the end result of what controls do... These sites often assume that one user persona can accommodate a user base full of multiple different personas and motivations, and they brutally punish anyone that goes outside of the personas they create as templates because their user bases are far too massive to care about individual user issues. It's now easier (and better for their bottom line) to just ban people than to properly address customer support.
huimang 4y ago
What’s the logic behind comparing an online discussion board with random user-moderated subreddits to a financial institution? I’ve been using Reddit since 2010 without issues, behaving poorly enough to get permabanned (which is different than being banned from a subreddit) is serious. There’s a story being left out here.
theshrike79 4y ago
You just don't get all your accounts permabanned from Reddit by not following "Rule #12" in one subreddit. You can post pretty disturbing shit and still not even get your NSFW account blocked, nevermind having all your accounts permbanned by IP.
- winternett 4y ago
  The reddit experience is very different for a person who doesn't have a business they want to market as opposed to someone who is just there for entertainment or personal enlightenment. Social Media sites an apps work very hard to "beat up" independent business people, so that they are huddled into a group that needs to pay (somehow) every time they want to gain customers or awareness. It's crushing the entire world of independent business. It may not be a conspiracy per-say, but it's a very serious end result of how these apps are set up and administered. The bank analogy was just a depiction of how difficult people who are trying to promote their work have it in just being able to develop their brand/presence on the Internet now within Reddit's eco system. Scammers and others who don't represent a specific brand don't have this problem, because they don't need to represent a consistent brand name, they can easily use burner and throw-away accounts to promote themselves... If you run a web site for your company and it gets blacklisted (shadowbanned) all across reddit, you become extra-limited, because then not even people who like your product, company, or service can even post about it or mention it on Reddit. It completely limits and controls the possibility of normal business growth and opportunity for a LOT of people when a site or app grows to be that big/vital as a community. ShadowBanning also isn't apparent to the company owner, they can potentially keep struggling to break ground and never know that all of their posts are being muted.
- jrnichols 4y ago
  You can do it by “abusing the report feature” even if the reports are accurate, apparently. Pretty sure that they just let an AI do it. There’s nobody actually checking or answering the appeals.

snickerbockers 4y ago

That's going to be a huge problem going forward. The whole parler thing from last year has me afraid because it showed how corporate america can collude together to remove you from society if you piss them off. In this specific case it happened to a bunch of assholes who probably deserved it, but in general this is extremely dangerous because of how much power is vested in private entities that have no public accountability. I'm personally of the opinion that, with respect to net neutrality, "service provider" should be interpreted as liberally as possible so that CDNs, hosts and SaaS platforms are subject to it instead of just companies that provide layer-3 internet access. And maybe the law should even be expanded so that it applies to financial institutions.

winternett 4y ago
Agreed. Most of the people that make the decisions and execute them are people who have no idea of the impacts of their moves. In so many situations now, platform code is written with a certain intent in mind, but then administered later by replacement employees who have no indication of the end result of what controls do... These sites often assume that one user persona can accommodate a user base full of multiple different personas and motivations, and they brutally punish anyone that goes outside of the personas they create as templates because their user bases are far too massive to care about individual user issues. It's now easier (and better for their bottom line) to just ban people than to properly address customer support.

huimang 4y ago

What’s the logic behind comparing an online discussion board with random user-moderated subreddits to a financial institution? I’ve been using Reddit since 2010 without issues, behaving poorly enough to get permabanned (which is different than being banned from a subreddit) is serious. There’s a story being left out here.

theshrike79 4y ago

You just don't get all your accounts permabanned from Reddit by not following "Rule #12" in one subreddit. You can post pretty disturbing shit and still not even get your NSFW account blocked, nevermind having all your accounts permbanned by IP.

winternett 4y ago
The reddit experience is very different for a person who doesn't have a business they want to market as opposed to someone who is just there for entertainment or personal enlightenment. Social Media sites an apps work very hard to "beat up" independent business people, so that they are huddled into a group that needs to pay (somehow) every time they want to gain customers or awareness. It's crushing the entire world of independent business. It may not be a conspiracy per-say, but it's a very serious end result of how these apps are set up and administered. The bank analogy was just a depiction of how difficult people who are trying to promote their work have it in just being able to develop their brand/presence on the Internet now within Reddit's eco system. Scammers and others who don't represent a specific brand don't have this problem, because they don't need to represent a consistent brand name, they can easily use burner and throw-away accounts to promote themselves... If you run a web site for your company and it gets blacklisted (shadowbanned) all across reddit, you become extra-limited, because then not even people who like your product, company, or service can even post about it or mention it on Reddit. It completely limits and controls the possibility of normal business growth and opportunity for a LOT of people when a site or app grows to be that big/vital as a community. ShadowBanning also isn't apparent to the company owner, they can potentially keep struggling to break ground and never know that all of their posts are being muted.
jrnichols 4y ago
You can do it by “abusing the report feature” even if the reports are accurate, apparently. Pretty sure that they just let an AI do it. There’s nobody actually checking or answering the appeals.