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How about the sticky on the /r/atheism Roe thread?[1] The moderation team states that "there is no non-bigoted way of advocating" against abortion, that any arg

How about the sticky on the /r/atheism Roe thread?[1] The moderation team states that "there is no non-bigoted way of advocating" against abortion, that any argument you have "has already been addressed and thoroughly refuted", and that speaking up "will result in an immediate, permanent ban." The mods are absolutely opposed to freedom of expression. Nobody was shutting down discourse like this when I was growing up. 1: https://old.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vjpvsa/in_honor_of_todays_supreme_court_ruling_i_just/idl4okq/ https://old.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vjpvsa/in_honor_of...

matthewdgreen 4y ago
The Internet has always been full of private fora where people limit the range of discussion. There are plenty of subreddits where you can express your views, should they happen to fall on the opposing side of the issue. The freedom to have discussions on topics you want in restricted spaces is not censorship, folks. And it’s (unfortunately) a thing that happens when your space is open to the entire global Internet.
- rhaksw 4y ago
  > The Internet has always been full of private fora where people limit the range of discussion. That's fine, but Reddit shows users their removed comments as if they're not removed [1]. Users don't have a chance to migrate to another group or platform if they don't know they're being censored. > The freedom to have discussions on topics you want in restricted spaces is not censorship, folks. I would agree with you if the platform were upfront with users about what gets removed. Unfortunately at this point it isn't. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/CantSayAnything/about/sticky https://www.reddit.com/r/CantSayAnything/about/sticky
- Banana699 4y ago
  Whenever I hear the word "Private" I immediately check my gun. There is nothing 'private' about reddit moderation, especially on a large sub like atheism (if i remember correctly, I haven't visited that cesspool since 2019). Power mods control tens of subs and cross-enforce their delusions and purity tests across them all, and reddit admins are obviously, pathetically, in league with them, always with the asymmetric tolerance and double standards. ("oh, they say 'kill all men' on female dating strategy? That's just their freedom of speech sweety. Now please remove your anti feminism post, it's harmful and ban worthy, fReEDoM oF SpEEcH dOESn'T MeAn FreeDOm FroM ConSeQuEnCEs.") You have to stop looking at it from the ridiculous and childish private\public perspective and start looking at it in terms of right to exit and availability of alternatives. If a small, 1000 km^2, irrelevant country bans something, that's not a big problem because the residents can easily move out or otherwise subvert the ban. If a giant corporation with monopolistic control of its niche bans a thing and treats certain users unfairly, that's a much more serious violation of free speech. It's all about how easily you can get alternatives, once you reach a certain usage/alternatives ratio, you don't have the right to be "Private", you must be forced to be fair. The public\private thing is a sort of "Stories for Children" heuristic that used to approximate the truer underlying dynamics somewhat decently, before bad faith authoritarian fan boys milked it into oblivion with cliché "Just build your own X bro" mindless slogans. The original idea being that 'public' things are usually things like states, courts, police forces and other societal structures that are usually very difficult to exit or be free of. While 'private' things are (the cliché example goes) things like gas stations or coffee shops, things you can easily exit and replace. The heuristic obviously breaks down whenever the private entity in question is $GIANT inc.
rhaksw 4y ago
That is indeed a pretty extreme position for a 3-million member sub to take. And r/conservative is essentially doing the same thing [1]. I wouldn't see a problem with all of that if people knew their comments were being removed. But, Reddit hides that from users, even going as far as showing you your removed comments while logged in as if they're not removed. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/vjpeia/roe_v_wade_is_over_party/idky4yx/?context=3 https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/vjpeia/roe_v_...

matthewdgreen 4y ago

The Internet has always been full of private fora where people limit the range of discussion. There are plenty of subreddits where you can express your views, should they happen to fall on the opposing side of the issue. The freedom to have discussions on topics you want in restricted spaces is not censorship, folks. And it’s (unfortunately) a thing that happens when your space is open to the entire global Internet.

rhaksw 4y ago
> The Internet has always been full of private fora where people limit the range of discussion. That's fine, but Reddit shows users their removed comments as if they're not removed [1]. Users don't have a chance to migrate to another group or platform if they don't know they're being censored. > The freedom to have discussions on topics you want in restricted spaces is not censorship, folks. I would agree with you if the platform were upfront with users about what gets removed. Unfortunately at this point it isn't. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/CantSayAnything/about/sticky https://www.reddit.com/r/CantSayAnything/about/sticky
Banana699 4y ago
Whenever I hear the word "Private" I immediately check my gun. There is nothing 'private' about reddit moderation, especially on a large sub like atheism (if i remember correctly, I haven't visited that cesspool since 2019). Power mods control tens of subs and cross-enforce their delusions and purity tests across them all, and reddit admins are obviously, pathetically, in league with them, always with the asymmetric tolerance and double standards. ("oh, they say 'kill all men' on female dating strategy? That's just their freedom of speech sweety. Now please remove your anti feminism post, it's harmful and ban worthy, fReEDoM oF SpEEcH dOESn'T MeAn FreeDOm FroM ConSeQuEnCEs.") You have to stop looking at it from the ridiculous and childish private\public perspective and start looking at it in terms of right to exit and availability of alternatives. If a small, 1000 km^2, irrelevant country bans something, that's not a big problem because the residents can easily move out or otherwise subvert the ban. If a giant corporation with monopolistic control of its niche bans a thing and treats certain users unfairly, that's a much more serious violation of free speech. It's all about how easily you can get alternatives, once you reach a certain usage/alternatives ratio, you don't have the right to be "Private", you must be forced to be fair. The public\private thing is a sort of "Stories for Children" heuristic that used to approximate the truer underlying dynamics somewhat decently, before bad faith authoritarian fan boys milked it into oblivion with cliché "Just build your own X bro" mindless slogans. The original idea being that 'public' things are usually things like states, courts, police forces and other societal structures that are usually very difficult to exit or be free of. While 'private' things are (the cliché example goes) things like gas stations or coffee shops, things you can easily exit and replace. The heuristic obviously breaks down whenever the private entity in question is $GIANT inc.

rhaksw 4y ago

That is indeed a pretty extreme position for a 3-million member sub to take. And r/conservative is essentially doing the same thing [1]. I wouldn't see a problem with all of that if people knew their comments were being removed. But, Reddit hides that from users, even going as far as showing you your removed comments while logged in as if they're not removed. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/vjpeia/roe_v_wade_is_over_party/idky4yx/?context=3 https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/vjpeia/roe_v_...