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> This is such bulshit! I know, a different opinion on a left wing dominant forum. It’s pretty wild. > First and foremost willing unprotected sex is not the o

> This is such bulshit! I know, a different opinion on a left wing dominant forum. It’s pretty wild. > First and foremost willing unprotected sex is not the only reason for getting pregnant! Contraceptive are not 100% effective and there is rape. I address this in another comment below. > Third sometimes there are medical reasons for abortions (Malta recently almost killed a mother that had a miscarriage… the child was 100% going to die but as long as the fetus’ heart was beating they could not remove it and therefore the mover risked sepsis) You’re citing very rare events to support the main issue which is the majority of abortions are out of convenience, which is where the main issue is. For these rare events there can be middle ground found here. > Second the body inside her might not belong to her (although… debatable) but her body is still hers and therefore she is entitled to remove anything inside of her. > A twisted example based on your comment: should be allowed to remove tumours? They have a slightly different DNA from the host therefore they are not “property” of the sick and therefore should be left there! This is arguing the same point in my opinion. The tumor does not grow into a human. The tumor is not able to survive outside of the womb in a NICU as a human.

freedom2099 4y ago
It was bulshit not because it was a different opinion but because it was a very poor argument! An embryo is incapable of surviving outside of the womb! A fetus might if it’s old enough! Nobody anywhere perform abortions at a stage where the fetus could survive without the mother in an nicu!
- zthrowaway 4y ago
  An embryo I agree cannot survive out of the womb, but what an embryo is, is a stage of human life. It’s still a human. Let’s not start trying to decide who is human enough to live. In Colorado you can get an abortion up to 9 months. There’s legislation trying to pass abortion allowance up to the moment of birth, and some have been recently successful in passing. Many states in the US allow abortions in 2nd trimester which is where a baby can survive outside the womb in a NICU.
  - freedom2099 4y ago
    > Let’s not start trying to decide who is human enough to live. But you are already doing that stating that abortion should be illegal altogether! You just set the threshold very early on!
    - zthrowaway 4y ago
      That makes no sense.

freedom2099 4y ago

It was bulshit not because it was a different opinion but because it was a very poor argument! An embryo is incapable of surviving outside of the womb! A fetus might if it’s old enough! Nobody anywhere perform abortions at a stage where the fetus could survive without the mother in an nicu!

zthrowaway 4y ago
An embryo I agree cannot survive out of the womb, but what an embryo is, is a stage of human life. It’s still a human. Let’s not start trying to decide who is human enough to live. In Colorado you can get an abortion up to 9 months. There’s legislation trying to pass abortion allowance up to the moment of birth, and some have been recently successful in passing. Many states in the US allow abortions in 2nd trimester which is where a baby can survive outside the womb in a NICU.
- freedom2099 4y ago
  > Let’s not start trying to decide who is human enough to live. But you are already doing that stating that abortion should be illegal altogether! You just set the threshold very early on!
  - zthrowaway 4y ago
    That makes no sense.