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California will never, ever, ever run short of water... unless the Pacific Ocean dries up. Cheap electricity will result in cheap desalination. The sky is not

California will never, ever, ever run short of water... unless the Pacific Ocean dries up. Cheap electricity will result in cheap desalination. The sky is not falling.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
running short of water does not mean you have nothing to drink, it means famine. madagascar has terrible famine right now, becauae there is no rain. In Syria, all crops that are not irigated have died. current irrigation water is free. You cant use water from desalination, because it takes many tons of water to grow one kilo of food, and tens of tons of water to grow a kilo of beef. that would drive up prices more than 10x, which menas famine. you people just don't understand the shitstirm that's coming one the crops fail on two important crop producing nations simultaneously
- formerkrogemp 4y ago
  Multiple nations are having water issues. Not just in myopic California. South Africa, the Mekong delta including Thailand and Vietnam, the PO river, parts of the US southeast are dealing with depleted aquifers and drought conditions, the Nile river supporting Egypt and Jordan, Lake Chad of Africa, etc. The water issue is global, as will be the impact on food prices. I expect significant refugees/migrants and authoritarianism.
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- Jistern 4y ago
  Have you ever actually bothered to make a cursory study of the history of food production over the last, say, 100 years in the USA? Since FDR came into office in 1933 the US federal government has actively been dealing with a serious food problem: tremendous agricultural surpluses. Virtually every wealthy country, even Japan, has the same problem: too many farmers and too much food. "We are running out! The sky is falling!" Hey, if that's what you want to yell and scream, that's your prerogative. But, as the adage goes, "Facts are stubborn things." In terms of crop value, California is the largest agricultural producer in the USA. I'm almost certain if California were to produce zero food whatsoever, the USA could still easily produce massive agricultural surpluses. Go read Frances Moore Lappé’s infamous "Diet for a Small Planet" which was a very famous bestselling book in 1971. It has been almost 100% debunked as inane wishful thinking. She claimed meat production had a negative environmental impact, was wasteful, and contributed to global food scarcity. Sure, just like factories can pump rivers full of pollution, if not properly regulated, cattle producers will tend to do the same thing. The answer is good laws and proper enforcement: not requiring people to eat tofu as a main course for dinner. Frances Moore Lappé was an unhinged "tree hugger." Don't be like her. Use your head: study the history, and look at the technology. While you are at it, imagine wind turbines spinning in the empty wastelands of the American West, pumping water from Canada to California. Kansas and Nebraska were part of what was known as the "Great American Desert." But then some engineers figured out how to pump water from what is now the "dying" Ogallala aquifer. We aren't living in caves, my man, trying to fight off lions and bears with spears. Doomers. Sheesh. You guys disgust me. Go spread your falsehoods elsewhere.
innagadadavida 4y ago
You are right but running out of water is not the issue I’m talking about. This will not help fix the underwater aquifer collapse problem. Also, I am not aware of anyone using sea water in a large scale for agriculture.

California will never, ever, ever run short of water... unless the Pacific Ocean dries up. Cheap electricity will result in cheap desalination. The sky is not falling.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

running short of water does not mean you have nothing to drink, it means famine. madagascar has terrible famine right now, becauae there is no rain. In Syria, all crops that are not irigated have died. current irrigation water is free. You cant use water from desalination, because it takes many tons of water to grow one kilo of food, and tens of tons of water to grow a kilo of beef. that would drive up prices more than 10x, which menas famine. you people just don't understand the shitstirm that's coming one the crops fail on two important crop producing nations simultaneously

formerkrogemp 4y ago
Multiple nations are having water issues. Not just in myopic California. South Africa, the Mekong delta including Thailand and Vietnam, the PO river, parts of the US southeast are dealing with depleted aquifers and drought conditions, the Nile river supporting Egypt and Jordan, Lake Chad of Africa, etc. The water issue is global, as will be the impact on food prices. I expect significant refugees/migrants and authoritarianism.
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Jistern 4y ago
Have you ever actually bothered to make a cursory study of the history of food production over the last, say, 100 years in the USA? Since FDR came into office in 1933 the US federal government has actively been dealing with a serious food problem: tremendous agricultural surpluses. Virtually every wealthy country, even Japan, has the same problem: too many farmers and too much food. "We are running out! The sky is falling!" Hey, if that's what you want to yell and scream, that's your prerogative. But, as the adage goes, "Facts are stubborn things." In terms of crop value, California is the largest agricultural producer in the USA. I'm almost certain if California were to produce zero food whatsoever, the USA could still easily produce massive agricultural surpluses. Go read Frances Moore Lappé’s infamous "Diet for a Small Planet" which was a very famous bestselling book in 1971. It has been almost 100% debunked as inane wishful thinking. She claimed meat production had a negative environmental impact, was wasteful, and contributed to global food scarcity. Sure, just like factories can pump rivers full of pollution, if not properly regulated, cattle producers will tend to do the same thing. The answer is good laws and proper enforcement: not requiring people to eat tofu as a main course for dinner. Frances Moore Lappé was an unhinged "tree hugger." Don't be like her. Use your head: study the history, and look at the technology. While you are at it, imagine wind turbines spinning in the empty wastelands of the American West, pumping water from Canada to California. Kansas and Nebraska were part of what was known as the "Great American Desert." But then some engineers figured out how to pump water from what is now the "dying" Ogallala aquifer. We aren't living in caves, my man, trying to fight off lions and bears with spears. Doomers. Sheesh. You guys disgust me. Go spread your falsehoods elsewhere.

innagadadavida 4y ago

You are right but running out of water is not the issue I’m talking about. This will not help fix the underwater aquifer collapse problem. Also, I am not aware of anyone using sea water in a large scale for agriculture.