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‘Woke’ just means, open to the idea that the way you behave may have unintended negative effects on other, potentially disadvantaged folks and it’s worth changi

‘Woke’ just means, open to the idea that the way you behave may have unintended negative effects on other, potentially disadvantaged folks and it’s worth changing the way you behave in these circumstances. So also - empathy.

tux2bsd 4y ago
- tinco 4y ago
  Lol yeah, I can really tell you're just chock-full of empathy by the way you're conducting yourself in this argument. Are you really unironically saying this or are you just trolling the "woke"? Who would you feel empathy for, it doesn't seem to be the woke left.
  - tux2bsd 4y ago
    - tinco 4y ago
      It's just a mindset, besides some minor beliefs they're just the same sort of people you are. I don't know if you'd consider me a leftist woke person, I feel that's something a younger generation is doing, and an older generation is enabling with the cancel culture and such. But I do feel the same way you do about the wokes about conservatives, when they're dismissive of climate change, when they're rejecting social medical care, when they're taxing the poor and benefiting the rich, when they're not understanding of the BLM protests, when they're taking away personal freedoms, when they're practicing their twisted version of Christianity when you know that if they ever met Jesus they'd be the first ones to nail them to the cross. I wish they'd snap out of their delusions and see how they're against everything they should be for.
      - tux2bsd 4y ago
        You're parroting the beliefs of the woke so chances are high that you're woke, I hope you can turn it around. You have a very confused outlook on life that does not match reality. I'll give you some pointers: Climate change. Weather, been going on for all time. I'll pay attention when rich people abandon their seaside mansions. Taxing the poor. Tax was invented for this. The BLM movement was a farce. Nothing good came from it, period. The c19 lock-downs took away our personal freedoms. 911 messed with travel a lot but these recent lock-downs are a whole new ball game (and the future does not look bright). No one alive met Jesus, don't be ridiculous. He wouldn't be allowed to be a carpenter without doing safety training courses first, if he was alive. No one would nail him to a cross, he'd be on his cellphone like everyone else.
        noasaservice 4y ago
        Is this a parody account? It's hard to believe someone on HN would be this anti-science and pro-racist as your comments have been. You're not discussing with people with sincerity. You misquote people, and then call them names because it doesn't fit with your viewpoint (whatever that is). I've flagged all your comments, because you cannot seem to behave in any reasonable capacity.
        tux2bsd 4y ago
        Imagine being so eager to silence other people, and resorting to dishonest claims to do so.
        tinco 4y ago
        You're not helping. Maybe try and ask a question or contribute some knowledge. This person is misinformed and all you're doing is cement his beliefs that his opponents are clueless and spiteful.
        tux2bsd 4y ago
        I'm not misinformed, I've helped you with some doses of reality but those go contrary to what you've been spoon fed and believe. It's OK agree to disagree unless you're a leftist then the other must always be derided "spiteful", "clueless", or "hate" (different thread) - all sort of nonsense like that.
- techdragon 4y ago
  For fucks sake… empathy is a human motivator that is unaligned with the political spectrum. We’re biologically designed with a (varying) level of it built in to how our brains work. It’s pretty easy to find an example... Watch a male flinch when they see another male kicked in the crotch. There’s heaps more examples of you want to research this field of neuro-psychology. By dragging fundamental human behaviour into the realm of political alignments your marking the other group as less human. Which is no way to behave towards fellow humans, not a path to any sort of moral high ground, and I’m pretty sure against the hacker news guidelines.
- atq2119 4y ago
  I sort of suspect you're not here in good faith, but just in case: my impression is that there is a difference between left and right when it comes to empathy, but it's not the amount of empathy per se, it's who benefits from it. The size of the tribe, if you will. Painting with a broad brush, conservatives show empathy only for people like themselves and perhaps close family and friends or a local community. Progressives show empathy towards a far broader range of people. (I think it's no accident that cities tend to be more left. They force people to have larger and more heterogenous tribes, and the correlation between political leaning and size of tribe apparently has some power in both directions.)
  - tux2bsd 4y ago
    It's actually the inverse of what you believe. Conservatives will help externally, very generously when conditions permit. Progressives will demand their in group be helped, to other progressives (within the in group) this looks like caring action is taking place but the shortsighted view of the situation does not see who is being helped. Take your city example, the city will demand food while simultaneously mocking the farmer, and taxing the farmer more if he exhibits success. The farmer knows he must produce as others depend on him. You are likely letting America's strange healthcare situation cloud your view. That situation is fucking bizarre. Everyone should have access to publicly funded emergency health care, like we do in NZ (but do not make the mistake of thinking that it is a fantastic situation here either, private health insurance has become more normal unfortunately (i.e. our idiot government is making it more like the US for healthcare)).
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    - atq2119 4y ago
      How does your claim mesh with the fact that racism, misogyny, and xenophobia are far more common among the right than among the left?

tux2bsd 4y ago

tinco 4y ago
Lol yeah, I can really tell you're just chock-full of empathy by the way you're conducting yourself in this argument. Are you really unironically saying this or are you just trolling the "woke"? Who would you feel empathy for, it doesn't seem to be the woke left.
- tux2bsd 4y ago
  - tinco 4y ago
    It's just a mindset, besides some minor beliefs they're just the same sort of people you are. I don't know if you'd consider me a leftist woke person, I feel that's something a younger generation is doing, and an older generation is enabling with the cancel culture and such. But I do feel the same way you do about the wokes about conservatives, when they're dismissive of climate change, when they're rejecting social medical care, when they're taxing the poor and benefiting the rich, when they're not understanding of the BLM protests, when they're taking away personal freedoms, when they're practicing their twisted version of Christianity when you know that if they ever met Jesus they'd be the first ones to nail them to the cross. I wish they'd snap out of their delusions and see how they're against everything they should be for.
    - tux2bsd 4y ago
      You're parroting the beliefs of the woke so chances are high that you're woke, I hope you can turn it around. You have a very confused outlook on life that does not match reality. I'll give you some pointers: Climate change. Weather, been going on for all time. I'll pay attention when rich people abandon their seaside mansions. Taxing the poor. Tax was invented for this. The BLM movement was a farce. Nothing good came from it, period. The c19 lock-downs took away our personal freedoms. 911 messed with travel a lot but these recent lock-downs are a whole new ball game (and the future does not look bright). No one alive met Jesus, don't be ridiculous. He wouldn't be allowed to be a carpenter without doing safety training courses first, if he was alive. No one would nail him to a cross, he'd be on his cellphone like everyone else.
      - noasaservice 4y ago
        Is this a parody account? It's hard to believe someone on HN would be this anti-science and pro-racist as your comments have been. You're not discussing with people with sincerity. You misquote people, and then call them names because it doesn't fit with your viewpoint (whatever that is). I've flagged all your comments, because you cannot seem to behave in any reasonable capacity.
        tux2bsd 4y ago
        Imagine being so eager to silence other people, and resorting to dishonest claims to do so.
        tinco 4y ago
        You're not helping. Maybe try and ask a question or contribute some knowledge. This person is misinformed and all you're doing is cement his beliefs that his opponents are clueless and spiteful.
        tux2bsd 4y ago
        I'm not misinformed, I've helped you with some doses of reality but those go contrary to what you've been spoon fed and believe. It's OK agree to disagree unless you're a leftist then the other must always be derided "spiteful", "clueless", or "hate" (different thread) - all sort of nonsense like that.
techdragon 4y ago
For fucks sake… empathy is a human motivator that is unaligned with the political spectrum. We’re biologically designed with a (varying) level of it built in to how our brains work. It’s pretty easy to find an example... Watch a male flinch when they see another male kicked in the crotch. There’s heaps more examples of you want to research this field of neuro-psychology. By dragging fundamental human behaviour into the realm of political alignments your marking the other group as less human. Which is no way to behave towards fellow humans, not a path to any sort of moral high ground, and I’m pretty sure against the hacker news guidelines.
atq2119 4y ago
I sort of suspect you're not here in good faith, but just in case: my impression is that there is a difference between left and right when it comes to empathy, but it's not the amount of empathy per se, it's who benefits from it. The size of the tribe, if you will. Painting with a broad brush, conservatives show empathy only for people like themselves and perhaps close family and friends or a local community. Progressives show empathy towards a far broader range of people. (I think it's no accident that cities tend to be more left. They force people to have larger and more heterogenous tribes, and the correlation between political leaning and size of tribe apparently has some power in both directions.)
- tux2bsd 4y ago
  It's actually the inverse of what you believe. Conservatives will help externally, very generously when conditions permit. Progressives will demand their in group be helped, to other progressives (within the in group) this looks like caring action is taking place but the shortsighted view of the situation does not see who is being helped. Take your city example, the city will demand food while simultaneously mocking the farmer, and taxing the farmer more if he exhibits success. The farmer knows he must produce as others depend on him. You are likely letting America's strange healthcare situation cloud your view. That situation is fucking bizarre. Everyone should have access to publicly funded emergency health care, like we do in NZ (but do not make the mistake of thinking that it is a fantastic situation here either, private health insurance has become more normal unfortunately (i.e. our idiot government is making it more like the US for healthcare)).
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - atq2119 4y ago
    How does your claim mesh with the fact that racism, misogyny, and xenophobia are far more common among the right than among the left?