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> to take the strain off road and railway networks WTH! Get freight off roads, but if railways are getting more full build more! Rail is efficient so induced

> to take the strain off road and railway networks WTH! Get freight off roads, but if railways are getting more full build more! Rail is efficient so induced demand endless traffic is not inevitable. Doing some stupid one-off experiment vs an integrated approach is far inferior.

Ericson2314 4y ago
If it's supposed to be some sort of last-mile "packet switching" thing akin the per-factory spurs I suppose that is fine and interesting, but I'm very unsure from the website whether there is that sort of intent. Swiss in general have their shit very together on system integration so fingers cross they are doing it, and not importing American shiny-new-thing fetishization and dysfunction.
- tonfa 4y ago
  It's pretty clear from the website that this is the intent. It's the delivery from the logistical centers (where the train freight terminates) to the city centers. They mentions repacking so that things get bundled by final destination rather than supplier.
herbst 4y ago
You likely haven't travelled our rail system a lot. Only major train stations have the capacity to handle large volume goods, the far majority of train stations is to small and has no way to grow (because of property, mountains, geography, ..) Also, I don't know exact numbers, but it's likely to assume that more goods need transport in future as well as more people are going to use trains. The capacity is limited, especially in a system that works so well because it has so little delays as well as a whole fallback network. Pretty sure if they start doubling the freight capacity we will start to see more delays for normal train travel, which is literally the last thing they want to see happen
- Ericson2314 4y ago
  I think the only solution is to have separate freight and passenger rail past a certain scale. (Though Switzerland without high speed passenger rail (because the Takt doesn't need it, I'm told) perhaps can delay this a bit longer.) A last mile thing like this to help feed the separate freight network, but should thought of a solution in lieu of it. The important thing to realize is that Europe is actually worse than the US regarding freight rail, despite being so much better at passenger rail.

Ericson2314 4y ago

If it's supposed to be some sort of last-mile "packet switching" thing akin the per-factory spurs I suppose that is fine and interesting, but I'm very unsure from the website whether there is that sort of intent. Swiss in general have their shit very together on system integration so fingers cross they are doing it, and not importing American shiny-new-thing fetishization and dysfunction.

tonfa 4y ago
It's pretty clear from the website that this is the intent. It's the delivery from the logistical centers (where the train freight terminates) to the city centers. They mentions repacking so that things get bundled by final destination rather than supplier.

herbst 4y ago

You likely haven't travelled our rail system a lot. Only major train stations have the capacity to handle large volume goods, the far majority of train stations is to small and has no way to grow (because of property, mountains, geography, ..) Also, I don't know exact numbers, but it's likely to assume that more goods need transport in future as well as more people are going to use trains. The capacity is limited, especially in a system that works so well because it has so little delays as well as a whole fallback network. Pretty sure if they start doubling the freight capacity we will start to see more delays for normal train travel, which is literally the last thing they want to see happen

Ericson2314 4y ago
I think the only solution is to have separate freight and passenger rail past a certain scale. (Though Switzerland without high speed passenger rail (because the Takt doesn't need it, I'm told) perhaps can delay this a bit longer.) A last mile thing like this to help feed the separate freight network, but should thought of a solution in lieu of it. The important thing to realize is that Europe is actually worse than the US regarding freight rail, despite being so much better at passenger rail.