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Yep, and then you do an anti-vaccine-mandate rally in Canada, one idiot with a swastika shows up, and then media goes on for weeks how everyone opposing vaccine

Yep, and then you do an anti-vaccine-mandate rally in Canada, one idiot with a swastika shows up, and then media goes on for weeks how everyone opposing vaccine mandates is a Nazi.

labster 4y ago
I do feel for you, even being on the opposite side of the issue. The press is too driven to present outrage, so you lose the message 99% of the people were there to deliver.
feet 4y ago
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- gruez 4y ago
  Like this? https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/organizer-behind-anti-vaccine-mandate-convoy-says-it-wont-tolerate-extremists-as-online-rhetoric-heats-up/ar-AAT8KPR https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/organizer-behind-anti-...
  - feet 4y ago
    - gruez 4y ago
      Or that might be a situation of no one wanting to enact vigilante justice against someone who's not actively doing anything violent? This isn't hard to imagine. In my experience, anti-social behavior on public transit is regularly met with apathy from all the other passengers, yet I doubt you'd lump all the passengers as being anti-social and/or condoning anti-social behavior themselves.
      - feet 4y ago
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        gruez 4y ago
        > You're blatantly ignoring the white supremacist views and actions of literal neonazis >Sorry, but I don't care if they're being actively violent at that moment in time because their views are centered around oppressing others and committing violence against minorities and other "nonwhites" Okay, let's compare apples to apples then. If there was a "literal neonazi" on a subway car and he was unmolested by fellow passengers, would you conclude that public transit users are nazis? This more or less follows the thought process of the parent comment, ie. "you do an anti-vaccine-mandate rally in Canada, one idiot with a swastika shows up, and then media goes on for weeks how everyone opposing vaccine mandates is a Nazi". >So again, sorry if I don't have any sympathy for literal Nazis You totally missed the point of my comment. I'm not defending "literal Nazis", I'm pointing out the fact that not enacting vigilante justice on "literal Nazis" is pretty common, so the fact that a "literal Nazi" was roaming around the protest unmolested isn't really indicative of anything. Outside of far-left groups, I suspect the amount of "punch a nazi" type of people is minuscule.
        feet 4y ago
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        gruez 4y ago
        >If they were parading around swastikas yea, I'd expect at least a few people to stand up and say something "say something" and then what? Convince them that being a nazi is bad so they leave? Let's be real here, the only realistic way of dealing with a nazi at a protest is through physical force. >I also didn't call the anti vax protestors Nazis. I said they were okay with Nazism, while similar it is different 1. the wording is from the parent post, not you 2. Does this change much? Would you call that bus/subway full of people as being "okay with Nazism"? >I definitely would not want to be associated with Nazis but maybe that's just me Clearly the organizers doesn't want to be associated with nazis either, but as mentioned above, my suspicion is that unless you're with a group of left wing activists, the chance that there's someone willing to use violence to stop the nazi is fairly low.
- tacitusarc 4y ago
  It’s fascinating to me how being against a particular behavior being mandated is now considered being against the behavior.

Yep, and then you do an anti-vaccine-mandate rally in Canada, one idiot with a swastika shows up, and then media goes on for weeks how everyone opposing vaccine mandates is a Nazi.

labster 4y ago

I do feel for you, even being on the opposite side of the issue. The press is too driven to present outrage, so you lose the message 99% of the people were there to deliver.

feet 4y ago

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gruez 4y ago
Like this? https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/organizer-behind-anti-vaccine-mandate-convoy-says-it-wont-tolerate-extremists-as-online-rhetoric-heats-up/ar-AAT8KPR https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/organizer-behind-anti-...
- feet 4y ago
  - gruez 4y ago
    Or that might be a situation of no one wanting to enact vigilante justice against someone who's not actively doing anything violent? This isn't hard to imagine. In my experience, anti-social behavior on public transit is regularly met with apathy from all the other passengers, yet I doubt you'd lump all the passengers as being anti-social and/or condoning anti-social behavior themselves.
    - feet 4y ago
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      - gruez 4y ago
        > You're blatantly ignoring the white supremacist views and actions of literal neonazis >Sorry, but I don't care if they're being actively violent at that moment in time because their views are centered around oppressing others and committing violence against minorities and other "nonwhites" Okay, let's compare apples to apples then. If there was a "literal neonazi" on a subway car and he was unmolested by fellow passengers, would you conclude that public transit users are nazis? This more or less follows the thought process of the parent comment, ie. "you do an anti-vaccine-mandate rally in Canada, one idiot with a swastika shows up, and then media goes on for weeks how everyone opposing vaccine mandates is a Nazi". >So again, sorry if I don't have any sympathy for literal Nazis You totally missed the point of my comment. I'm not defending "literal Nazis", I'm pointing out the fact that not enacting vigilante justice on "literal Nazis" is pretty common, so the fact that a "literal Nazi" was roaming around the protest unmolested isn't really indicative of anything. Outside of far-left groups, I suspect the amount of "punch a nazi" type of people is minuscule.
        feet 4y ago
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        gruez 4y ago
        >If they were parading around swastikas yea, I'd expect at least a few people to stand up and say something "say something" and then what? Convince them that being a nazi is bad so they leave? Let's be real here, the only realistic way of dealing with a nazi at a protest is through physical force. >I also didn't call the anti vax protestors Nazis. I said they were okay with Nazism, while similar it is different 1. the wording is from the parent post, not you 2. Does this change much? Would you call that bus/subway full of people as being "okay with Nazism"? >I definitely would not want to be associated with Nazis but maybe that's just me Clearly the organizers doesn't want to be associated with nazis either, but as mentioned above, my suspicion is that unless you're with a group of left wing activists, the chance that there's someone willing to use violence to stop the nazi is fairly low.
tacitusarc 4y ago
It’s fascinating to me how being against a particular behavior being mandated is now considered being against the behavior.