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What's the threat model? Does this lock secure a location that has no windows? Can a sledgehammer be used to open the door? Ok, so maybe covert entry is harder
by csours 4y ago
What's the threat model? Does this lock secure a location that has no windows? Can a sledgehammer be used to open the door?
Ok, so maybe covert entry is harder. Do you care THAT much about covert entry? If you care that much about covert entry, do you also have video monitoring?
Security solutions need to be used in context.
- paulpauper 4y agoif it's really important, then the lock is probably never going to be enough. you probably want a vault
- andrewflnr 4y agoYour points are technically true but effectively vacuous, equally applicable to all possible door locks. Is there someone claiming that just because this lock is (allegedly) unpickable, it's a complete security solution, so that you felt you had to comment on the importance of other approaches to security?
- csours 4y agoNo, I'm saying that people have an irrational desire for an unpickable lock, perhaps not having considered their security/threat model.
- tptacek 4y agoEveryone interested in lock picking has considered breaking the window. I promise, you're not the first person to think of that, and it doesn't bear repeating in these kinds of conversations.
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- Eji1700 4y agoI think it has narrow applications in government high security areas and some corporate things where covert access can be a catastrophe. Also large datacenters and what not where an unknown physical compromise, while VERY difficult to achieve, could have tremendous repercussions. In 90% of situations a bad actor will probably just use brute force. There is something to be said if this isn't bump-able/pick-able, in that at least you won't have the situation where a potential bad actor gains "covert" access, and so people think they're supposed to be there, as opposed to them kicking down the door, but the number of scenarios where that actually matters is slim.
- throwaway742 4y agoOvert, covert, and surreptitious entry all have their uses.
- asojfdowgh 4y agobesides the fact that dragging a sledgehammer into the department of defense is really obvious. And that hitting something with a sledge or smashing a window would both activate alarms, and just, be really loud regardless. Yes, there is places without windows and with reinforced doors Even setting that aside, impressioning attacks require only seconds at a doorway for each step in the process, this defeats that attack. bump keys only requires ~30 seconds if you are lucky, this defeats that And yes DoD has security cameras, most places do actually.
- xur17 4y ago> bump keys only requires ~30 seconds if you are lucky, this defeats that Agreed - this is exactly the threat model that I'd be looking to block as a purchaser. Had a friend show me how to pick a cheap lock in < 30 seconds - it was laughably easy.
- isatty 4y agoWell by your own logic you shouldn’t need a secure password for anything either since you can beaten with a stick.
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- _ph_ 4y agoThinking about larger houses with multiple appartments, which is very common in Germany, lock picking is the number one way of entering, as it reduces the risk of detection and quite fast. Beyond the ground floor, no one would try to enter through windows anyway, and there the recommendation of the police is to have locks for your windows. It seems to be very uncommon that one tries to break through the glass. Good glass is tough, breaking makes noise and then there is quite some danger of injury. Any good lock can make quite a difference and these locks look very promising as they would defeat the typical picking.
- birdiesanders 4y agoIt moves the attack from being against the lock to being against the door/frame/walls.