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If Gerrymandering was used to district people into exclusively 90/10 distribution segments, it wouldn't favor either party. But that's not what happens. https:

by ABCLAW 4y ago

If Gerrymandering was used to district people into exclusively 90/10 distribution segments, it wouldn't favor either party. But that's not what happens. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/03/gerry.png https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/03/... You're claiming gerrymandering is used to create the situation in option 1. I haven't seen any indication that this is the case from any reputable source. Most mathematical analysis of gerrymandering shows that option 3 is what's occurring, which does NOT enfranchise people. Almost every piece mathematically quantifying gerrymandering efforts in the states has indicated that it substantially favors the GOP. Here's one example centered on the 2016 election: https://apnews.com/article/elections-race-and-ethnicity-voting-rights-census-2020-election-2020-fa6478e10cda4e9cbd75380e705bd380 https://apnews.com/article/elections-race-and-ethnicity-voti... Some of the discussion is regarding how much of the bias is intentional (due to intentionally gerrymandered districts) vs. unintentional (due to the geographic clustering of democratic voters in urban areas), but I haven't ever seen an analysis that attributes an overall advantage to democrats as a result of districting at the state or national level.

zackees 4y ago
Dude, you are getting your political news analysis from the AP. Of course they are going to report that gerrymandering hurts democracy and conservatives are to blame. Why don’t you ask Russia Today about whether Russia is a strong and prosperous country that’s good for the world? Same tier of propaganda. You should diversify and be more inclusive of your news sources.
- ABCLAW 4y ago
  It's unfortunate that you exclusively focus on the source rather than the argument when the information contained in the links I provided can be found in peer reviewed papers, other news publications, etc., all of which can be easily searched for online. The math isn't particularly complicated, nor is it controversial. Here's an article about gerrymandering in NC in the journal of Statistics and Public Policy: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2330443X.2020.1796400 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2330443X.2020.1... The NC2012 and NC2016 plots in comparison with the neutral districting is almost cartoonish in how much packing was performed. As an aside, I don't understand why you're claiming that the AP, of all news sources, is a propaganda outlet (let alone one favoring democrats?). Do you have some reason to believe that their take regarding district policy is suspect? Or do you just have an nebulous distrust of news media in general? You're more than welcome to post a reputable source that provides an analysis claiming that gerrymandering enfranchises people so that we'd have some subject matter disagreement to dig into.

by ABCLAW 4y ago

zackees 4y ago

Dude, you are getting your political news analysis from the AP. Of course they are going to report that gerrymandering hurts democracy and conservatives are to blame. Why don’t you ask Russia Today about whether Russia is a strong and prosperous country that’s good for the world? Same tier of propaganda. You should diversify and be more inclusive of your news sources.

ABCLAW 4y ago
It's unfortunate that you exclusively focus on the source rather than the argument when the information contained in the links I provided can be found in peer reviewed papers, other news publications, etc., all of which can be easily searched for online. The math isn't particularly complicated, nor is it controversial. Here's an article about gerrymandering in NC in the journal of Statistics and Public Policy: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2330443X.2020.1796400 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2330443X.2020.1... The NC2012 and NC2016 plots in comparison with the neutral districting is almost cartoonish in how much packing was performed. As an aside, I don't understand why you're claiming that the AP, of all news sources, is a propaganda outlet (let alone one favoring democrats?). Do you have some reason to believe that their take regarding district policy is suspect? Or do you just have an nebulous distrust of news media in general? You're more than welcome to post a reputable source that provides an analysis claiming that gerrymandering enfranchises people so that we'd have some subject matter disagreement to dig into.