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I assume you are being serious, but the truth is that supporting ICE vehicle sales and the fossil fuel industry as a result is supporting industries that are ac

by zamfi 4y ago

I assume you are being serious, but the truth is that supporting ICE vehicle sales and the fossil fuel industry as a result is supporting industries that are actively killing us and the planet also. I sure hope you bike (or drive a conflict-free electric car, I guess?) and are powered by your own solar panels if you feel this way.

diordiderot 4y ago
AHH a classic right wing gotcha https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...
- zamfi 4y ago
  Huh? We need to both (a) reduce emissions from transport, and (b) reduce emissions from agriculture. The parent poster was implying (presumably, because my original post was saying “we should do both” in response to a post that said “(a) is irrelevant, only (b) matters”) that anyone not doing (b) was killing the planet, and I’m pointing out here that if that’s true, anyone not doing (a) is also killing the planet. We need both! It’s not optional! Half these conversations are “ok sure but X is really all that matters!” — and that is completely false. We need to reduce or eliminate emissions from all sources, full stop.
tcfhgj 4y ago
why do you have to have your own solar panels? doesn't make any sense to me I agree however on biking (or public transport). I will always try to live max 15-20km away from work, such that I always can use a bike or a velomobile. Please don't try to make ad hominem arguments, thanks.
- zamfi 4y ago
  “Own” as in “not from a grid” not self-manufactured.
  - tcfhgj 4y ago
    I understood. However this is rather counter productive as it requires more environmentally costly storage as well as solar capacity. Additionally, it totally neglects all other sources of renewable energy.
    - zamfi 4y ago
      It is next to impossible to use only renewable electricity from the grid. I agree with you, the statement was meant to illustrate the original poster’s rather unhelpful maximalist stance.
      - tcfhgj 4y ago
        > It is next to impossible to use only renewable electricity from the grid. And how do you come to this conclusion?
        zamfi 4y ago
        I guess I should have said "currently" -- very few grids are 100% renewable; some offer the option to individual customers (hi EBCE!) but usually what this means is that the operators purchase enough power from renewable sources to cover that customer's daily use, but crucially it's not always at the time of use. For example, the user might be supplied with power from a fossil fuel power plant at night, but then extra solar power is purchased during sunnier periods to compensate.

by zamfi 4y ago

diordiderot 4y ago

AHH a classic right wing gotcha https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...

zamfi 4y ago
Huh? We need to both (a) reduce emissions from transport, and (b) reduce emissions from agriculture. The parent poster was implying (presumably, because my original post was saying “we should do both” in response to a post that said “(a) is irrelevant, only (b) matters”) that anyone not doing (b) was killing the planet, and I’m pointing out here that if that’s true, anyone not doing (a) is also killing the planet. We need both! It’s not optional! Half these conversations are “ok sure but X is really all that matters!” — and that is completely false. We need to reduce or eliminate emissions from all sources, full stop.

tcfhgj 4y ago

why do you have to have your own solar panels? doesn't make any sense to me I agree however on biking (or public transport). I will always try to live max 15-20km away from work, such that I always can use a bike or a velomobile. Please don't try to make ad hominem arguments, thanks.

zamfi 4y ago
“Own” as in “not from a grid” not self-manufactured.
- tcfhgj 4y ago
  I understood. However this is rather counter productive as it requires more environmentally costly storage as well as solar capacity. Additionally, it totally neglects all other sources of renewable energy.
  - zamfi 4y ago
    It is next to impossible to use only renewable electricity from the grid. I agree with you, the statement was meant to illustrate the original poster’s rather unhelpful maximalist stance.
    - tcfhgj 4y ago
      > It is next to impossible to use only renewable electricity from the grid. And how do you come to this conclusion?
      - zamfi 4y ago
        I guess I should have said "currently" -- very few grids are 100% renewable; some offer the option to individual customers (hi EBCE!) but usually what this means is that the operators purchase enough power from renewable sources to cover that customer's daily use, but crucially it's not always at the time of use. For example, the user might be supplied with power from a fossil fuel power plant at night, but then extra solar power is purchased during sunnier periods to compensate.